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Title: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 08, 2017, 02:35:21 PM
Ok, so much time between now and spring flying, that I just had to start building something else.

I was going to make a whimsical flying model of the Beatles Yellow Submarine, but in drawings and with a small-size mock build-up, the thing just looked wrong with wings.

I have an extra E-Flite 1.2 meter P51 Mustang wing, so I searched the internet for something different, and I found the plane in the photo shown here in this post.

The first step was to draw the plans in my head!

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 08, 2017, 02:36:45 PM
My investment so far is a sheet of 1/2" styrofoam, and I probably have everything else lying around. I hope.

I've started the fuselage first.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 08, 2017, 02:49:22 PM
Good fit so far!

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: bweaver on January 08, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
Looks great Micheal. 

I am going to do a project similar to this, but using both the wing and tail portion of the fuselage which includes the horizontal/vertical stabs and control surfaces, along with the canopy and air inlet for under the fuselage. All parts were salvaged from my E-flite Mustang.     

Your build has encouraged me to get at it as soon as I return. 
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 08, 2017, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: bweaver on January 08, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
Looks great Micheal. 

I am going to do a project similar to this, but using both the wing and tail portion of the fuselage which includes the horizontal/vertical stabs and control surfaces, along with the canopy and air inlet for under the fuselage. All parts were salvaged from my E-flite Mustang.     

Your build has encouraged me to get at it as soon as I return.

Great!



Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 08, 2017, 07:19:58 PM
Working on the aft-top fuselage.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 08, 2017, 09:00:05 PM
Things are shaping up!

Anyway, this image shows how I'm building the fuselage. It will be sanded and hollowed out later.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: piker on January 09, 2017, 10:00:07 AM
Cool!

When you design in your head, is it like an Etch A-Sketch?  Don't give your head a shake!
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 14, 2017, 01:45:27 PM
So, I got thinking .......

Being a racing plane, I didn't want to have a tail wheel hanging down in flight, so I devised a retractable and steerable tailwheel.

Always wanting to make things as simple as possible, I simply attached a small electric retract to a swivel-type mount, made of plywood.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 14, 2017, 02:04:06 PM
OK, here's my problem with the above; when retracted, there isn't room for the component to move left and right when the rudder is moved.

A solution might include a separate steering servo for the tailwheel, on a separate channel (flaps; I will not be using flaps), which is mixed with the rudder, but which turns off when the wheels are retracted, through another mix.

Does that seem right?

If I can't figure this out today, I'll switch to a fixed tailwheel.
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 14, 2017, 03:34:22 PM
Done!  ;D

A separate steering servo for the tail wheel (aux2) is mixed/controlled by the rudder, but the mix is turned on and off by switch A (retract/gear switch; in the same mix screen).

Works great!
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 14, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
Now that the pesky tailwheel is out of the way, normal building continues.

It's starting to look a little P51-ish, or maybe Mustang-ish, I'm not sure.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: sihinch on January 14, 2017, 05:24:50 PM
Looks fabulous - ish!!!
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 15, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
More progress ...

I like this pointy spinner more for a racing plane.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 15, 2017, 06:17:15 PM
Carving a canopy; front top held down with magnets.

Still more sanding to do. A lot more.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 15, 2017, 09:03:53 PM
Stabilizer and elevator: wood dowel joiner on elevators, carbon fiber rod inset into stabilizer, temporary hinges, mostly sanded and shaped.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: sihinch on January 15, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
Will you be offering kit versions?  ;D
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: bweaver on January 15, 2017, 10:37:44 PM
The fuselage is coming along great. 

I was planning on laminating mine to strengthen it.  Then painting the laminated surface.
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 16, 2017, 08:02:28 AM
Quote from: bweaver on January 15, 2017, 10:37:44 PM
The fuselage is coming along great. 

I was planning on laminating mine to strengthen it.  Then painting the laminated surface.


I may 'fiberglass' my plane. I would use water-based poly-urethane.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 16, 2017, 07:15:03 PM
Fin/rudder.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Gregor77 on January 17, 2017, 08:45:52 AM
Wow!  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 22, 2017, 11:24:49 AM
No images.

Progress:

1. I installed and tested wrong-size retracts. This was to save money (that's what I had on hand), and the adjustments and changes to mount the retracts worked well.

2. I finished shaping the fuselage, and have begun filling and sanding. When reasonably smooth, I will permanently install the fin and stabilizer, and fiberglass the whole unit.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 29, 2017, 05:55:28 PM
Rear wing fillets. Tapered top fuselage between fin and stabilizer.

Fuselage sanded and ready for fiberglass.


Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: octagon on January 29, 2017, 08:01:32 PM
Looks Great Michael, good job
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on January 29, 2017, 08:52:27 PM
I saw this at a place where I bought fiberglass cloth. It's a better way to cut the material before applying. I usually make a mess with all the loose strands, but this eliminated the problem entirely. I place masking tape where I want to cut, and then use a knife or scissors.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: sihinch on January 30, 2017, 04:55:28 AM
Very nice trick! I'm going to copy that!
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: octagon on January 30, 2017, 08:19:29 AM
Brilliant Michael. Like Simon, I will copy that.
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2017, 07:27:46 PM
Fiberglassed, sanded and painting started.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: bweaver on February 06, 2017, 11:29:48 AM
Thanks for all the ideas.  I have some catching up to do.  ::)  Starting mine today.
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Candu on February 06, 2017, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: Michael on January 16, 2017, 08:02:28 AM
Quote from: bweaver on January 15, 2017, 10:37:44 PM
The fuselage is coming along great. 

I was planning on laminating mine to strengthen it.  Then painting the laminated surface.


I may 'fiberglass' my plane. I would use water-based poly-urethane.

Hmmm... You mean to use poly-urethane instead of fiberglass resin?
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 06, 2017, 09:46:27 PM
Even with all that mess, things are coming together.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 11, 2017, 02:23:33 PM
Basic painting is done and radio installation is next. The photo is from the last 'TEMAC Pilot's Meeting".

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 11, 2017, 09:14:30 PM
Radio and landing retractable gear installation complete, hinges glued in, and wings glued on. All wiring is accessible from from the battery hatch area.

Still to do: battery tray, balance, details, painted and/or plastic film trim windows and decoration, adjust throws and get a bigger prop.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 11, 2017, 09:24:31 PM
Oh yeah, and engine exhausts, and air-cooling too.
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: piker on February 12, 2017, 12:19:28 AM
looking really good! It'll be fantastic when decorated.

Oh, and that runway is very well groomed.
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 12, 2017, 08:53:00 PM
Very slow progress .....
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 12, 2017, 10:00:00 PM
A bit more ...

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 14, 2017, 05:37:38 PM
Engine exhausts are one of the essential characteristics to a P51 Mustang, these constructed of foam sheet and a plastic straw.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 14, 2017, 06:45:56 PM
more ...

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 14, 2017, 07:16:00 PM
... stripe ...
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: sihinch on February 14, 2017, 10:38:41 PM
Red stripe!
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: bweaver on February 14, 2017, 11:37:36 PM
Clearly Simon, red stripe might taste good but it clearly wouldn't show up!  It had to be a white stripe...

Looking great Micheal.
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 15, 2017, 10:23:31 PM
I don't know if this will work, or if it's worth the effort, but I'm trying to make functional landing gear doors.

They are made of of a two-piece foam sandwich with epoxy for strength, but I'm not sure they're strong enough. If it functions, I may fiberglass these parts for additional strength.

I also applied some lettering to the bottom of the left wing.
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: octagon on February 15, 2017, 11:05:52 PM
Very nice job Michael. Like the way your Mustang looks. You mentioned you are trying to make functional doors. Are you are trying to make inner doors that will close to cover the wheels after the main gear closes?
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 16, 2017, 09:56:13 AM
Yes, that's the intention.
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: battlestu on February 16, 2017, 10:11:47 AM
very nice!!
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on February 18, 2017, 03:59:34 PM
Finished.

Painted, decorated, balanced, propped (at 29 amps draw on a 3-cell lipo battery), and throws adjusted.

Ready for dry weather.

I was unable to do a reasonably good job with the wheel covers. I might try again at a later date if the plane flies well.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: bweaver on February 18, 2017, 05:30:32 PM
It looks super Micheal!
Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on April 15, 2017, 03:43:38 PM
It flies .....  ;D

Photos from Greg H.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on April 22, 2017, 03:08:00 PM
OK, here's the details of the first flight.

It flew nicely, but .... it took a lot of right rudder to take off (to fight the propeller torque); it was very under-powered; thus needing full throttle for decent flight; thus getting everything too hot, thus causing the power to shut off; necessitating a dead-stick landing (which was smooth and successful).

Here's what I did.

I switched from a 3-cell battery, 40 amp speed control and a 480-size motor, to a 4-cell battery, 60 amp speed control, and a 25-size motor. I opened up the air inlet (just a bit) below the spinner, added small air-flow exit holes on the fuselage sides sides behind the dummy engine exhausts, and put in a proper battery tray.

I have since flown it in cold and windy conditions, and it flew faster and much better. It really slowed down nicely for landing.

I don't need full throttle, and everything was cool after landing.

Title: Re: Partly-scratch-built Racing Red Mustang
Post by: Michael on May 12, 2017, 07:44:10 AM
Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-kBQ4ND4Io&feature=youtu.be