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Title: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on October 17, 2017, 10:37:11 PM
Bruce and his sidekicks of the Morning Crew:

There are three people ready to join the retired set and therefore the Morning Crew.  Andy Hoffer(ret), Rob Dickinson (ret next year) and myself (retireable next year*) would like to send in our applications.  It will probably be a long process.  :D

Frank

* read as "slowing down, never retiring"
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: bweaver on October 18, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
Due to the recent spike in interest shown by unsavory characters a number of people wishing to join the morning crew; please be advised that we are in the process of updating the application form for Morning Crew Membership.  We apologize for the delay this may cause. The new application will be posted upon completion.

Thanks for warning us showing your interest. 

Yours truly,
Bruce (Morning Crew Membership Committee Coordinator)
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: octagon on October 18, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
Hi Bruce,
One of the three of us applicants will get in contact with you if we haven't heard back within a few weeks, in case you have forgotten you were updating the application, or maybe have just gone to sleep.

Rob, et al.
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on October 18, 2017, 08:11:37 PM
Hey Rob,

Thanks for the post and promising to wake up Bruce. 
I hope Bruce develops the application form soon.  The longer he takes, the greater the chance that his dear wife will get involved in preparing the application form.  I don't fear Bruce, but I do fear his wife Katie.  She will have us hanging from the rafters in no time.  Let's pray the application form is generated by the Morning Crew alone. ;D

Set your alarm (calendar).

Frank
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: BJROB on October 18, 2017, 09:17:12 PM
I'm hopping to be filling out one of them applications come the new year
Or maybe I'll just be a guest that happens to show up all the time.
like a relative that comes for dinner and does not leave
I think I can sneak in and be unnoticed if I'm flying a warwing 
I'll fly into there flight path so they think they hit me..
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: octagon on October 19, 2017, 09:14:02 AM
You know, BJ might be on to something there. If we just show up and fly Warwings, they might not even notice we are there!
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on October 19, 2017, 05:06:36 PM
Rob,

re:"they might not even notice we are there!"

"Let sleeping dogs lie"*


Frank

...or , in this case, let lying dogs sleep. ;D
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: bfeist on October 19, 2017, 05:37:21 PM
only 25 more years until I get to join. can't wait.
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on October 19, 2017, 07:12:30 PM
Ben,

Great to hear from you.  25 years from now Bruce will be processing the Morning Crew application forms from his wheel chair at the ripe old age of about 90.  Why is this starting to sound like punishment for me. ;D
Of course, in 25 years you will be in the NASA hall of fame as the world's leading expert on Apollo 17.

In 25 years the Morning Crew will be know as the "Eventual Crew".  By the time they get up and dressed it will be much later in the day.  Maybe they should change their name to the "Dusk Patrol".... and I will still be a junior member. ;)

Regards,

Frank
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: bweaver on October 19, 2017, 08:53:01 PM
re: "they might not even notice we are there!"

What do you think, we're senile? Some of us might be, but we don't notice.

All of the comments on the Forum about people wishing to join the Morning Crew has created quite a stir.  In consideration, the Morning Crew Membership Committee hastily held a meeting today to discuss the matter and the potential applicants.  This could be a good thing or a bad thing. (for the applicants)

The committee agreed that we can't hastily have people join us without reasonable forethought, discussions, considerations, bribery etc.

In order to possibly facilitate newbies, we are diligently working towards updating the application process.  (More to come.)

The photo (which you can't see because it is too large to install) denotes the current Membership Committee attending the meeting today.  NOTE: Athol is also a member (not in the picture), but someone had to take the picture. 

(The photo of the committee will be posted once I find out how to reduce its size.)

Bruce (Committee Chairman)
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: bweaver on October 19, 2017, 09:16:56 PM
Here is the photo!
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on October 19, 2017, 09:40:56 PM
I counted exactly 12 people (incl Athol). 
The Last Supper? :D

Frank

ps: in case of a tie ....who casts the deciding vote?  Always better to have an odd number (13!).... or spring the vote the minute 11 wake up from their afternoon nap. :D
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: bweaver on October 20, 2017, 09:28:19 AM
re: only 25 more years until I get to join. can't wait.

Ben, you don't have to wait 25 years to try out the morning crew.  You just need an excuse or the opportunity to get away from that other thing that keeps you from doing it.  Flying with us doesn't have to be a full-time thing. You would enjoy it even if it were only for a brief moment.

Of course realize if your presence is only periodic, you will have to re-introduce yourself to the members each time you arrive. Alternatively, if you are considerate, would you mind coming to the field wearing a name tag? 
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: octagon on October 20, 2017, 09:49:21 AM

I counted exactly 12 people (incl Athol). 
The Last Supper?



Ok, which one is Judas?
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on October 20, 2017, 03:27:36 PM
Bruce,

re: "to re-introduce yourself to the members each time you arrive. "

Is that because there may be a few weeks between Ben's visits or because you all have Altzheimer's?

ps: I did not know the Last Supper was held at the Swiss Chalet at Yonge and 16th!




Rob,

re: "Ok, which one is Judas?"


All twelve of them!  :D

Frank
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: bweaver on October 20, 2017, 08:23:20 PM
MORNING CREW MEMBERSHIP APPLICATION
The following application must be completed in its entirety, on the TEMAC Forum.  This step ensures transparency in the process of becoming a new Morning Crew member.  Your responses to the following questions/statements may be completed all at the same time, or completed separately as your time permits. NOTE: all 7 questions/statements must be completed prior to receipt of final membership approval. More than one response to a question/statement is permitted.

Please be aware, that your responses will be reviewed, accessed, discussed, and commented on as part of this new transparent membership process.

1 - (You can have assistance in answering this first question)
My name is...

2 - I am currently...
(a)   pretired
(b)   retired
(c)   just tired
(d)   other – please explain

3 - I can fly...
(a)   well
(b)   somewhat well
(c)   with assistance
(d)   only in an airplane
(e)   other – please explain

4 - (You are applying to join the MORNING CREW for a reason.) 
I routinely...
(a)   wake up before 10 a.m.
(b)   get up before noon
(c)   lie awake all night in anticipation of flying with wonderful people in the morning
(d)   other – please explain

5 - I wear fashionable, colour-coordinated clothing.
(a)   yes
(b)   no
(c)   sometimes
(d)   other – please specify

6 - (Complete the following statement honestly based upon your knowledge of the morning crew) 
I get the urge to...
(a)   treat everyone to lunch (Where your answer is YES please specify your preferred lunchtime locations)
(b)   bite my tongue and fane interest while listening to almost everything Dr John and other members say
(c)   leave Dr. John's and other members presence when he/they start one of his/their stories
(d)   wait in my car until most of the morning crew leaves
(e)   Other – please specify

7 - Whenever I go to the flying field I always...
(a)   am respectful and play and fly nicely with others
(b)   have deferential attitudes to all morning crew members
(c)   provide an assortment of tools so that others can make 'at field adjustments'
(d)   provide an assortment of adhesives for occasional (read 'frequent) 'at field mishaps'
(e)   complement others on their flying skills even when the compliment is not deserved
(f)   other – please specify



Successful MORNING CREW applicants must adhere to the following rules

(1) When flying with wind, it is compulsory to stand apart from others. (Never downwind)

(2) While perfecting your off-field landings you must avoid using audible bad language  (Talking to yourself in your head is permitted)

(3) When other pilots experience serious ground/air interface incidents, it is mandatory that you maintain a suitable demeanor. Snickering is not permitted. (Only a full belly laugh is permitted when the incident warrants)

WARNING:
Where new Morning Crew members fail to play properly with other flyers, they will be sent home to write 100 lines. Should the poor behaviour persist after the 1st warning, their propeller(s) will be removed.  Upon 2nd warning, their Moms or significant others will be informed!  You don't want to know what happens after the 3rd warning.

We truly hope you will be a successful applicant.

Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on October 20, 2017, 08:46:02 PM
Here we go.  Bruce, put on your reading glasses and pop the lid on the first beer.

1 - (You can have assistance in answering this first question)
My name is...  My wife says it is and always has been, Frank J.M. van Beurden  (news to me! :D)

2 - I am currently...
(d)   other – please explain... too poor to be retired

3 - I can fly...
(e)   other – please explain  ... about one flight per plane.  That's why I have 40 planes and run the repair classes.

4 - (You are applying to join the MORNING CREW for a reason.) 
I routinely...
(d)   other – please explain ... get up at the crack of noon!

5 - I wear fashionable, colour-coordinated clothing.
(a)   yes... provided the fashion judges are from the CNIB.

6 - (Complete the following statement honestly based upon your knowledge of the morning crew) 
I get the urge to...
(a)  treat everyone to lunch once in my lifetime.  Bruce can pay for me all other times.

7 - Whenever I go to the flying field I always...
(e)   complement others on their flying skills even when the compliment is not deserved .... because they are copying my flying style.



Successful MORNING CREW applicants must adhere to the following rules

(1) When flying with wind, it is compulsory to stand apart (aphart?) from others. (Never downwind)

(2) While perfecting your off-field landings you must avoid using audible bad language  (Talking to yourself in your head is permitted)

(3) When other pilots experience serious ground/air interface incidents, it is mandatory that you maintain a suitable demeanor. Snickering is not permitted. (Only a full belly laugh is permitted when the incident warrants)

Any other questions will be promptly answered.

Frank J.M. van Beurden
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: bweaver on October 22, 2017, 09:20:40 AM
Frank,

Your prompt response to filling out the questionnaire was considered by most members to be positive, demonstrating your interest in joining the group.  A few members are however concerned that your wish to join us is because you may not have many other friends.

Respecting your response to question 2, (I am currently too poor to be retired) - The committee responses received to date pointed out the obvious conflict with your response to question 6, (I get the urge to treat everyone to lunch once in my lifetime.  Bruce can pay for me all other times.) In light of this, the members also suggest that you continue to pursue your goals in achieving success in this regard.

Respecting your response to question 3, (I can fly about one flight per plane.  That's why I have 40 planes and run the repair classes.) Well it goes without saying that with this record, you will be 'showing up' many in the morning crew with your skills. Your response is also consistent with your response to question 7, where you have stated 7 - (Whenever I go to the flying field I always complement others on their flying skills even when the compliment is not deserved .... because they are copying my flying style.)

Respecting your response to question 4 - (I routinely get up at the crack of noon!) This habit will have to be broken if you wish to fly with the MORNING CREW

Respecting your response to question 5 - (I wear fashionable, colour-coordinated clothing. (a)   yes... provided the fashion judges are from the CNIB.)
The committee recommends that you kindly ask the Misses to lay out your clothing for you to wear in the future.  We do have standards when we dine at high-end eateries, like Swiss Chalet, Subway and the like - should you wish to join us. NOTE - If you are paying, wear what you want.

It is obvious that Rule 1 has been applied to you in the past.  Please continue to take it seriously.

In our view at this time, (which can change at any time) you may proceed to the next phase of becoming a Morning Crew Member - "Try-outs". (NOTE: "Try-outs" continue for ever until you get it right.)

Next applicant please!
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on October 22, 2017, 09:56:48 AM
Bruce,

Thanks for allowing me to proceed to the perpetual tryout stage and avoiding the outright replies like "never", "not in your dreams", "NFW", etc.

Some clarification is needed:

re  - "Respecting your response to question 4 - (I routinely get up at the crack of noon!) This habit will have to be broken if you wish to fly with the MORNING CREW". 
Just let me paraphrase a famous song by some laid-back tequila artist "It's 10 am somewhere".  So everyone in the Morning Crew needs to set their watches/clocks 2 hours back and I will be "on-time".

re - " The committee recommends that you kindly ask the Misses to lay out your clothing for you to wear in the future."
That is absolutely cruel.  Then she will know I am missing and going to the flying field.  I will supply welder's glasses to all who are present.  That should neutralize the shock and may improve the flying skills of the existing Morning Crew members.  Better to see something than nothing. ;D

re: ""Try-outs" continue for ever until you get it right." That's the teacher in you.... "You will do it over and over until you get it right" .  Are you implying that if I ever get it right I will no longer be on the Morning Crew?  Don't want to show you up.

Respectfully* yours,

Frank

* more lies. :D
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: vicwhit on October 22, 2017, 04:02:45 PM
Yah got it all wrong about the last supper. 1. It was on Stoofville (sic) Road in Stouffville. 2. It wasn't the last. We will have more at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: RogMason on October 25, 2017, 11:24:08 AM
Well, Frank and Rob and all other rapidly aging pilots - just look at the recent turn-out of the Morning Crew  :-)
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on October 25, 2017, 03:05:23 PM
Roger,

Looks like forced labour to me.  It must be tough to decide whether to go to work or to meet with the Morning Crew.

At worst I should be considered a "rapidly aging" young pilot.  Remember that "Old" is a relative term.  When I was in grade 3, I thought people in grade 4 were old.  Flying with you guys will make us new guys feel very young.

Keep smiling, keep flying.

Frank
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: RogMason on November 02, 2017, 11:41:11 AM
Useful Recognition Chart and Tips sheet for new Morning Crew applicants...
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: octagon on December 04, 2017, 09:50:47 AM
The following application must be completed in its entirety, on the TEMAC Forum.  This step ensures transparency in the process of becoming a new Morning Crew member.  Your responses to the following questions/statements may be completed all at the same time, or completed separately as your time permits. NOTE: all 7 questions/statements must be completed prior to receipt of final membership approval. More than one response to a question/statement is permitted.

Please be aware, that your responses will be reviewed, accessed, discussed, and commented on as part of this new transparent membership process.

1 - (You can have assistance in answering this first question)
My name is...

Rob, but my wife often calls me different things than that.


2 - I am currently...

(d)   other – Wondering how I can have paid into CPP for 50 years and get so little pension!



3 - I can fly...

(e)   other – Ok, but I get a lot of practice repairing my models


4 - (You are applying to join the MORNING CREW for a reason.) 
I routinely...

(d)   other – Need help finding my lost planes, and also need someone I can trust to look after the stuff I forget at Rogo when I leave.

5 - I wear fashionable, colour-coordinated clothing.

(d)   other – I can only say it helps to be colour blind.

6 - (Complete the following statement honestly based upon your knowledge of the morning crew) 
I get the urge to...


(e)   Other –Go to the bathroom more often

7 - Whenever I go to the flying field I always...

(f)   other – Bring a big garbage bag to bring the bits home in.


Successful MORNING CREW applicants must adhere to the following rules

(1) When flying with wind, it is compulsory to stand apart from others. (Never downwind)

(2) While perfecting your off-field landings you must avoid using audible bad language  (Talking to yourself in your head is permitted)

(3) When other pilots experience serious ground/air interface incidents, it is mandatory that you maintain a suitable demeanor. Snickering is not permitted. (Only a full belly laugh is permitted when the incident warrants)

WARNING:
Where new Morning Crew members fail to play properly with other flyers, they will be sent home to write 100 lines. Should the poor behaviour persist after the 1st warning, their propeller(s) will be removed.  Upon 2nd warning, their Moms or significant others will be informed!  You don't want to know what happens after the 3rd warning.

We truly hope you will be a successful applicant.
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: bweaver on December 04, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
Rob, Thanks for submitting your application to join the Morning Crew. 

You're application will with all sincerity be cordially reviewed and processed.   

The morning crew has been notified of your submission and you will be the subject of much discussion at this Thursday's lunch.  You are welcome to attend if you dare.  You can even plead your case. ::)  (noon at the Swiss Chalet, east of the 404 on MacKenzie Dr. East.) PS - BRING YOUR WALLET!
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: vicwhit on December 04, 2017, 11:20:50 AM
Since I will miss lunch, I think what's his name can join in on compassionate grounds as he is so despondent about losing his livelihood.
Does anybody really know this guy?
Is he constantly repairing like Jim?
Does he actually build stuff?
Can he fly in a circuit instead of grandstanding in a hover over the runway?

Oops. ..that's me.

Welcome Rob. See ya in the spring.

Vic W.
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Candu on December 04, 2017, 11:50:46 AM
Bruce already knows that I am unable to make this week's luncheon so I'll give Rob a thumbs up vote here now.

Vic, you don't have to know who this guy Rob is - to me, anybody who have had a lipo fire has the required prerequisite to qualify to be a member of the morning crew... ;D
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Athol on December 04, 2017, 02:31:21 PM
In spite of all the criticism, I think Rob's a nice guy and as long as he brings lots of clear bags, for the new eco-kit process of minimising packaging, so he can take the "recently kitted plane" home to (re)build., I'm all for him joining the TMC (TEMAC Morning Crew)... ::)

Cheers

 
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Canuke on December 04, 2017, 02:49:45 PM
But is he willing to repair or rebuild other members crashed planes like Jim does?
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: octagon on December 04, 2017, 03:38:06 PM
Hey Guys, thanks for all the replies and consideration of allowing me to join you. It is inspirational and it warms the cockles of my heart. If allowed to join, I promise to uphold the traditions of the morning group. I will complain about the current government, the weather, the corn, my back, drones, radio signal failures and will do my best not to get lost driving to Rogo from Richmond Hill (Maybe I can follow Bruce, he hardly ever gets lost anymore). I will also write down where I am going so i don't forget and end up in Uxbridge. It is great, at 66 to be the youngest member (I think) of anything I am a part of! Oh wait, Frank VB is younger (at least he says he is)
Oh, and I do repair other's planes when I have time, but I keep myself pretty busy with my own!
Anyone know where one can get jumbo clear garbage bags? Don't want the zone director kicking me out for environmental reasons.
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: AndyC on December 04, 2017, 04:06:14 PM
I vote we let Rob join.  Being an optician, he can help adjust our glasses at the field so we can see where the lost planes go.

Andy
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: bweaver on December 04, 2017, 05:19:39 PM
Come on guys, let's not be too quick to accept Rob into the fold just because he has a greater/higher crash rate than any of us.  (Well, come to think of it, it might feel nice for a change.)

Further, RE   1 - (You can have assistance in answering this first question)My name is... Rob, but my wife often calls me different things than that.
This I do believe.  I live at least two blocks away from your home and I have heard your lovely wife call you in a number of ways.  I won't embarrass you by repeating what she calls you here.

RE   3 - I can fly... Ok, but I get a lot of practice repairing my models 
Rob if you are successful, you are going to appreciate your afternoons for accommodating this activity.  Many of us will expect a man with your experience will be more than happy to share your knowledge of model aircraft recovery and reconstruction. This leads to...

RE   4 - (You are applying to join the MORNING CREW for a reason.) I routinely... Need help finding my lost planes, and also need someone I can trust to look after the stuff I forget at Rogo when I leave.
NOTE TO ANDY - Why would you expect Rob who admittedly loses and crashes planes at the rate in which he does to be called upon to adjust your eye wear, to improve your ability to fly?  Oh yeh, it is Andy making this comment... perhaps anything may help you. But Andy at least think about the source...
Further, Rob when you misplace something at the field in the morning 'trust' has nothing to do with it.  Just make sure your home insurance has coverage for such losses.  Otherwise you might find what ever you have lost at the next 'swap meet'.

RE   6 - (Complete the following statement honestly based upon your knowledge of the morning crew) I get the urge to... Go to the bathroom more often.

Rob have you ever been in portable toilet when it has been tipped over?
Title: Re: Morning Crew application form
Post by: Frank v B on December 04, 2017, 07:29:34 PM
Bruce and the Morning Crew,

Respectfully,  why are you so tough on Rob's application?  In fact, you have not made a decision.

1) The Morning Crew needs to let younger people in.  Five years from now, who else is going to put the metal ramps up to your cars so you can get your wheelchairs out of the back? ;D

2) If Graham does not pave the grounds from the parking lot to the make-up tables and then to the pilot station, who is going to push your wheelchair to the flight station? :)

3) Why be so tough on the proper dress code. Rob and I buy our clothes at Goodwill.  By definition we will always be at least one fashion trend behind the rest of the world.  We are not cheap, we are incredibly frugal.

4) I am sure Rob and the new applicants like me will bring a box of 40 garbage bags so all existing Morning Crew members can carry their planes home.  We want to be helpful since flying does not appear to improve with age. ;D

5) Why are you so critical of what our wives call us?  What we are called is unprintable.  Why do you think we want to go flying.  It is the same reason Kate kicks you out of the house so she can relax and get stuff done. ;)

6) The nasty question about "I get the urge to go to the bathroom more often".  It all Depends.* :D

Rob will be a great new member of the Morning Crew.


Frank

* I am sure he'll bring extras for you.