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TEMAC Race Series => Piker Class Racing => Topic started by: Ededge2002 on May 27, 2014, 08:13:22 AM

Title: wingtip rules?
Post by: Ededge2002 on May 27, 2014, 08:13:22 AM
Just a feeler post asking for opinions if there is a wingtip rule of thumb?

Ie could I:

Add a little additional span direction to an existing approved wing to provide a little more of a tapered tip?

If you have the 180sq" and 10% requirement covered is there a maximum tip size that could be added?  Example could I add 1.5" per side and make my own wingtips that have a better less drag performance and experiment? 

Yes @sihinch be afraid be very afraid!
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: sihinch on May 27, 2014, 08:25:46 AM
"The airflow around winglets is complicated, and winglets have to be carefully designed and tested for each aircraft."

You could mess it up Ed!
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: battlestu on May 27, 2014, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: sihinch on May 27, 2014, 08:25:46 AM
You could mess it up Ed!

yep he's worried ;)... i would love to see what happens
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: bfeist on May 27, 2014, 09:39:54 AM
Nothing like a good technology arms race to make racing more interesting.
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: Papa on May 27, 2014, 10:48:29 AM
The old standard for any rule in any racing.
If it's not barred then its legal.


However!


Remember the rule.


Rule #2.         Wing thickness must be a minimum of
                      10% of local chord at any span wise location.

That includes wing tips. So design carefully!!!!

Jack.
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: Andy Hoffer on May 27, 2014, 11:05:00 AM
Quote from: Papa on May 27, 2014, 10:48:29 AM
The old standard for any rule in any racing.
If it's not barred then its legal.

However!

Remember the rule.

Rule #2.         Wing thickness must be a minimum of
                     10% of local chord at any span wise location.

That includes wing tips. So design carefully!!!!

Jack.

I think use of the word "wise" in this discussion constitutes an oxymoron.   ;D
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: battlestu on May 27, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
we all know what you are thinking about.... how can put skis on mine ;)
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: piker on May 27, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
My opinion is that anything additional beyond the minimum span and minimum thickness should be allowed. 

I think the "at any span wise location" modifier is a good one but should only apply to the area of the wing that makes it meet the basic rules.   

As much as I don't want to see Ed with any additional advantage, I don't see the harm in allowing some experimentation.  Besides, if he comes out with something that improves the design, we'll all just copy it for the next race  ;D
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: Papa on May 27, 2014, 11:54:58 AM
the area of the wing that makes it meet the basic rules. 

And what would that area be @piker ?


jack.
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: piker on May 27, 2014, 01:49:55 PM
180 sq.in.

But your call.  You're the CD... and I'm happy with you being the bad cop  :)
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: Ededge2002 on May 27, 2014, 05:26:33 PM
I'm glad that my description is understood. I also feel that so long as the minimum area qualifies (180sq") with the required 10% thickness additional area should not have to meet the requirements. Racing is about research and improving on an existing design. ...and trying not to have to cheat to do it lol

Is there anyone that is against my idea that would curb me from doing this testing?
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: sihinch on May 27, 2014, 06:58:22 PM
Yes! Me!!!!
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: wollins on May 27, 2014, 07:50:31 PM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on May 27, 2014, 05:26:33 PM
Is there anyone that is against my idea that would curb me from doing this testing?

I could care less what anyone else does with their plane ... I'm gonna beat all comers going forward cause I just switched out my Nooner's motor with this new racing motor!  ;) (Last I recalled there was no upper weight limit in the rules! lol)

Colin   
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: sihinch on May 27, 2014, 08:53:07 PM
Quote from: sihinch on May 27, 2014, 06:58:22 PM
Yes! Me!!!!

I was kidding!

Colin - where will you put the battery to get the CG?
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: Ededge2002 on May 27, 2014, 09:34:21 PM
" Colin - where will you put the battery to get the CG?"

I suspect on a string hanging behind the plane!!
Title: Re: wingtip rules?
Post by: Papa on May 27, 2014, 09:34:40 PM
It will be on a streamlined platform one foot behind the tail!


Jack.