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TEMAC Race Series => Piker Class Racing => Topic started by: Ededge2002 on February 18, 2013, 10:59:41 PM

Title: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 18, 2013, 10:59:41 PM
As several of us will be getting our Nooners shortly and I was given the opportunity to build one so long as I did a build thread I jumed at the chance.  I figured we all could use this thread to solve problems and answer questions on the models to get the ball rolling.  The first one I will be doing is the ARF version and will be built to be as reliable, strong and fast as possible! 

Opening the box its a nice well made model for the cash.  The fuse has a little carbon that is perfectly installed and the hardware despite not being complete is of ok quality.(ive seen worse!)

With everything except the battery on my scale the number is 10.5oz or near 300g.  my goal is around 11.5 ready to fly plus battery and possibly a touch of weight to make the required 16oz,

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 18, 2013, 11:21:48 PM
1 pic.  The required everything taped together right out of the box photo.

2 pic.  showing the difference a spinner makes on this model!  Diameter 30mm (this one is a Mp-Jet)

3 pic.  case in point....

4 pic.  firewall started as a disk with just a center hole and two motor holes..  dremel!

5 pic.  need to reinforce the fuse where the wing leading edge dowl will go.  I used the spray adhesive to make the piece of spectra stay in place then used thin CA to glue it in.  (spectra is kinda like kevlar and better than just fierglass AND i had some..

6 pic.  the result.

7 pic.  another layer on the outside of the fuse and its plenty strong.  just a small hole till i have the wings joined and can drill it all at once.  dont install firewall till after this is done!  I did sand the area prior to installing.

8 pic.  trimmed the canopy with scissors then smoothed up with sand paper.

9 pic.  take a good look at the fuse.  this one the very last bit of it was slightly out of alignment.  I cut the notches for the tail surfaces to compensate...  go slow with the dremel and cut off disk.. remember you have lots of sets of eyes so no need to use glasses...

10 pic.  test fit of tail surfaces.

11 pic.  First alignment.  will tune once wing is joined and mounted.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 19, 2013, 08:12:36 AM
Wow!  This looks awesome Ed!  Thank you for taking the time to do all the photos and the write-up.

Someone is very lucky to have you building this ( ;D) and they need to get one of those sexy spinners!

Cheers,
S
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on February 19, 2013, 10:54:54 AM
Does look good, Ed.  Can't wait to get mine!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 19, 2013, 09:44:47 PM
Just a little work on the elevator joiner.  I used a 3 1/2" (90mm) long piece of 1/8" (3mm) Carbon rod.  Cut slot in surfaces basicly completly through but tried not to damage covering on other side.  I installed the horn I made onto the joiner and did a few wraps around with thread to get an even better bond.  All assembled with thin CA.   Will show more detail on how my pushrod design will work as the build progresses.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 20, 2013, 12:10:57 AM
After looking at the horn I had made a few times and thinking about it I figured it would be fine but why not add a little insurance.  Drilled and pinned the horn with a little piece of carbon and braced the rudder that is going to be mounted solid.  I did try to make it so that if someone wanted to add the rudder back it would be possible by cutting a carbon rod and removing some tape.

I like to get an idea where I stand with the CG before I begin mounting ANYTHING in the fuse.  Although this one is bigger than some its still a little cramped and this can become a real problem if something is in the way!  I dropped all the required equipment into the plane and was very pleased to see that with an 11g Elevator servo stuffed back in the fuse and a 3.3oz (94g) motor with a prop and spinner on the front plus a bunch of stuff tucked in there with tape in its required locations the plane will balance without the battery!!  This will leave a nice chunk of weight to move a fair bit forward and back right at the CG!  also this will make it possible to fly the plane with many pack sizes!  Very pleased with this news and this is trying to come in right at the required weight minimum! 

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on February 20, 2013, 09:32:42 AM
Hey Ed.  Sorry I haven't had a chance to call you yet.  I meant to last night but forgot.  We can chat at the meeting tonight, or here if you like... or is it secret?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 20, 2013, 10:18:43 AM
Is there a weight limit? I didn't think there was one.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 20, 2013, 10:40:14 AM
I believe there was a minimum. I will go and look at the rules again.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on February 20, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
No upper weight limit.  Make it as heavy as you like.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: battlestu on February 20, 2013, 12:04:45 PM
Quote from: piker on February 20, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
No upper weight limit.  Make it as heavy as you like.

"oh, yeaaah" no upper weight limit  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 20, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
Thing is though that on a power limited situation lighter is better!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 20, 2013, 03:45:12 PM
Make it lite, Ed!  Diet Nooner!  8)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on February 20, 2013, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on February 20, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
Thing is though that on a power limited situation lighter is better!!

You're smarter than you look!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 20, 2013, 05:43:14 PM

[/quote]
You're smarter than you look!
[/quote]

THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on February 21, 2013, 12:56:13 PM
Looks good Ed, what motor are you running, kv and prop. Should really move.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 21, 2013, 01:52:36 PM
I haven't totally set on my motor choice yet. The airframe requires a 28mm motor and with some care even an outrunner could be made to fit.  As this is Simon's plane I'm not going to give away what motor he will be using...... 
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 21, 2013, 02:01:35 PM
I don't mind telling people - it'll be so lite and flown so well that it won't matter!!!

It's a 2836 inrunner, 2200kV. I think I got it from headsuprc last year (for a project that never happened!). I was planning to start with a 5x5 prop and see what the current draw is.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 21, 2013, 11:34:04 PM
Glued the two wing half's together tonight and installed the wing peg in the wing and the mounting hole in the fuse.   You might see some overlap of epoxy on the covering around the center section but im going to remove that covering when I put the glass cloth around the wing joint.

I drilled the hole out in the fuse by hand keeping the long bit level on the rear wing hold down block.  once done I put some thin CA into the hole and did it again..  Then i did it one more time.  each time i let the CA sit for a bit then hit it with kicker.  there is a nice solid bead around the hole now.  Then I installed the wing making carefull measurments that it was perfectly straight and taped it in place measuring to see if it moved once done.  Through the motor opening i used a 12" long 1/8" dril bit to slowly drill a nice straight hole into the leading edge of the wing.  Once all done that i cleaned everything up and installed the wing pin into the leading edge with epoxy.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 22, 2013, 10:43:31 PM
I WOULD show the progress that I made tonight glueing in the firewall but.....  I just knocked it out and will start again tomorrow!!   If you hold your ear up to the screen you will likely be able to hear the screams!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 23, 2013, 11:09:18 AM
Cleaned up the mess from last nights battle and redid the mount...  all was perfect till i ran a little bead of thin CA around the inside of the mount last night!  It kicked off in a huge bump on one side of the mount and when I installed the motor it was crooked!! 

added a thin layer of glass cloth to the mount aas it took quite a bit to knock it out.  It looked fine but with all the horse power Simon is running I figured it needed it.

Put the epoxy in the fuse. push the motor/mount into it and align.  wait till the epoxy 3/4 dries then remove the motor carefully so it dosent get glued in there. Cut cooling hole.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on February 23, 2013, 02:31:50 PM
Looks great!

Can't wait to get started on mine  ::)

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on February 23, 2013, 08:30:05 PM
QuoteMake it lite, Ed!  Diet Nooner! 
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Ed,

Hey buddy, since you are building Simon's plane, don't forget to:

- put the big wing on the back.
- put the rudder/fin combination on the bottom of the fuse just behind the prop and tell him it is a skeg.
- put the motor in backwards with a chopped down prop and tell Simon it is a ducted fan.
- since you are putting two servos in the wing, carve a new canopy out of solid lead.

May you make all the mistakes on this plane and then make even more on yours. ;D

Your friendly competitor,

Frank

ps: on a serious note, I found this plane flies very well nose heavy and has a very wide CG range.  I have flown it with 1300,1600 and 2200 mah batteries and never shifted the batteries to check the CG.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on February 23, 2013, 08:54:44 PM
Guys,

re: motor choice.

I bought the Castle Creations 18 about 6 weeks ago and did some tests.  All were on 3 cells:

A 28:36mm inrunner 2700 KV
- just makes the 18 amp cut-off but only with an APC 4.1x4.1.
- draws 25 amps on a 5x5 APC
- any inrunner greater than 2700 kv would not be able to make the 18 amp cut-off on 3 cells.  It would have to go down to two cells to make the 18 amp cut-off.  Note: I did this on my little Shoestring.  It has a 28 mm inrunner at 3900 kv.  I cut it down to two cells and put on a 6x4 APC.  I believe it draws 25 amps on 2 cells.  It was drawing 50 amps on a 5x5 APC on 3 cells!!

Note: the 4.1" prop is the smallest prop APC makes.

I suspect the 2200 KV motors that Simon and Ed picked would be safer bets. It also allows you to do some prop work.  I suspect it would hit 18 amps with the APC 4.75 x 4.75 prop and may be over the 18 amp limit for the 5x5 (un-trimmed).

For what (watt??) it is worth.

Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 23, 2013, 09:37:19 PM
Quote"May you make all the mistakes on this plane and then make even more on yours. "

Im actualy thinking i might have used up all my energy/motivation on his and mine will be slapped together!!  Although building the first one has given me the chance to think and think again about what my plan for total domination is....  Oh and Simon's motor is 2200kv but mine........isnt!    I did run and measure amps/volts/rpm on Simon's motor and it will be a good performer so far as the numbers look!!

If only the shipment had arrived one day earlier and we could have the servos he ordered it possibly could have flown sunday!!  As it was i took the time to finish the Pyro!!  14.5oz (410g) 440W ready to fly!!  Think 485W/lb is enough??  the Rifle was only 390 on the same set up...
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on February 24, 2013, 11:19:07 AM
  Quote: Think 485W/lb is enough??

Ed, I commend you for your conservatism in powering model airplanes.  Keep in mind that when Rogo and Piker started in electric they had exactly a tenth of that power to achieve electric flight.

For years Rudie Nagelmakers and I have always recommended to newbies "always overpower an airplane.  You can always throttle back ... if you have to".  You have just redefined "overpowered".  I guess it is a relative term.

You and Ben will now officially be referred to as "Temac's Kilowatt Twins". 8)  Also, we call them ESC's.  They are proportional you know.  You use them as glorified "on/off" switches. ;D

Frank

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 24, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
Simon has chosen to go with dual aileron servos.  this will enable him to flap them back and forth rapidly to make the plane go faster.  you may chose to go with a single servo...
Measure how far the fuse/wing mount goes up the wing cord.  you want the servo as far back as possible to clear the canopy.  On his model it was 17mm so I cut at 19mm to give a tiny bit of space.
Make the cut out the exact size of the servos.  The forward of the servo will sit flush with the wing and not occupy any fuse space with thse servos..  Others might a little.
Slavage some Great Planes Rifle aileron control horns.  (if you dont have any buy a Riffle fly it for 100 flights and crash it like these ones..  +-99 flights.)  This is something you and now I will need to purchase for there planes lol.
Cut slots and drill holes into the ailerons as shown.  The rods must countersink flush into the aileron so as not to reduce throw travel. 

Now take everyting off and move on to the next step.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 24, 2013, 08:58:24 PM
As the ARF comes covered there is no space to fiberglass the center section unless some covering is removed. Cutting the covering back to accomplish this WILL damage the wing sheeting in my opinion. The alternative is to cut it back with your soldering iron. The glassing process is to join the wing sheeting. This is the wings "spar" with a foam core wing.

Using tape make a line just outside how far you want to glass. In this case I did 1 1/4" or 33mm.
Burn  line and remove the covering.
Cut a strip of THIN glass cloth 1" wide (or what you feel will work)
I always spray cloth with a light coat of adhesive and lay the strip 12"(30cm) around the wing joint.
Thinning epoxy with a 50:50 ratio with rubbing alcohol makes great bond. Paint this into the cloth trying to fill the weave and make a good light bond.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on February 24, 2013, 11:46:59 PM
Thanks for the build thread. It's been very helpful.

Some questions..

1. Why go with two servos with that setup, when it could have been accomplished with one? I was thinking of going with a single servo setup provided I could find a linkage like the one you used to save weight. If I was to use two servos, I was thinking I'd just bury them in the wing further outboard and have a direct linkage instead.

2 what did you use to level the servo? Is that foam?

3. I'm guessing you'll need to recover the glassed section at the wing joint.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 25, 2013, 12:17:40 AM
[quote Some questions..

1. Why go with two servos with that setup, when it could have been accomplished with one? I was thinking of going with a single servo setup provided I could find a linkage like the one you used to save weight. If I was to use two servos, I was thinking I'd just bury them in the wing further outboard and have a direct linkage instead.

Two servos because it gives the ability to have flaps/spoilers and is easier to set up with minimal actual weight gain.  This wing was covered already and adding outboard servos would have been quite a pain.

2 what did you use to level the servo? Is that foam?
I did not level the servo I cut the hole on that angle so that the servo landed in that position.

3. I'm guessing you'll need to recover the glassed section at the wing joint.
Yes that portion will be recovered.
[/quote]
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 25, 2013, 08:49:39 AM
I needed 2 servos because I'm going to use active-proportional-negative-flap response programming to get +15g in the turns........ ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on February 25, 2013, 05:41:46 PM
Simon,

I hope you are planning to race sub-sonic. ;D

Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 25, 2013, 06:39:12 PM
This plane is hypersonic! It's grease lightnin'!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on February 25, 2013, 07:06:29 PM
Well I started my build today after a trip to the LHS to get some hardware. Managed to epoxy the wing halves together without gluing myself to the plane, so I'm pretty pleased with myself.... :P



Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 25, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
And there off!  Greg C probably test flew his before work this morning  heck he had the thing for 17hours by then.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 25, 2013, 08:22:51 PM
Greg actually sold it last night, after building it, flying it and then realizing it wasn't a biplane!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 25, 2013, 08:46:25 PM
Or he is making TWO more wings for it!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on February 25, 2013, 08:48:52 PM
Them's fightin' words.

Should be fun racing. 

Simon, with all of our talk, you and I will probably be battling it out for second last place. 8)

Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 25, 2013, 09:31:35 PM
No way VB, that last spot's mine! You've no chance!!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 26, 2013, 11:17:37 PM
I did a little work yesterday and didnt update the thread.  so today is a bit of a flood.  sorry.   

Covered the center section after glassing....  The red I had was WAY OFF so white actualy looked better...  no one will notice till simon is holding the trophy for a photo at the end anyway!

Re installed the wing servos and hardware.  Measured and aligned the wing to the fuse and drilled the wing mount hole.

Took a few minutes to soup up Simons race motor...  Wow talk about over kill!!

Soldered all the connections and wing servo extension harness..
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 26, 2013, 11:49:17 PM
TYPE IN A HUGE POST ATTACH A BUNCH OF PICS THEN HIT "POST" AND HAVE YOUR COMPUTER CRASH....

Swear a couple times, have a beer and wait a few minutes before doing it all over again.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 27, 2013, 12:03:36 AM
To get the plane to be fairly balanced without the battery I installed everything except the elevator servo and assembled the plane.  With the CG marked I moved the servo up and down the fuse to see where to put it to get it to come to CG range.  Yes there are medications for these troubles! 

marking the fuse with tape of the location, make or find in the old Rifle parts bag the elevator servo mount you never used and position the servo in its location to measure and bend the pushrod to length.  Figure out the servo throw required to get the recomended elevator travel (+ - 12degrees) Make fancy not for 3d elevator horn and install.  With everything centered install elevator servo.  Glue the elevator pushrod guide tube to the inside of the fuse.  Swear a couple times just for good measure. 

Picture showing battery position to get to cg.  this will allow almost any battery that fits to be able to get to CG required.

All up weight without battery or rx...  Not bad at all if I do say so myself!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 27, 2013, 12:28:05 AM
I hope this thread had provided at least someone some insight into building this airframe.  If anything else I hope I provided some one to laugh at. 

Quote "Lets get ready to........"  SHUT UP AND FLY!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 27, 2013, 09:37:45 AM
Awesome job, Ed! Thank you.

And great, great write up.

Let's race! Oh no, what's that remind me of?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on February 27, 2013, 10:18:28 AM
Hey Ed!  Thanks for the insights into the build.  Now we can all improve on Simon's set-up  ;D

That "secret weapon" motor rebuild looks fiece!  Simon will have some serious horse power in his plane.

Gee... I wonder if Simon bought a few extra Nooners with the group buy... to have on hand for those of us who crash mid-season... I'm just planning ahead for my summer of racing.

Simon.  We need a better phrase... how about "Start your engines!" ... oh wait... that doesn't work.

Maybe "Plug in your batteries!"...  nah... doesn't have the same effect...

How about "Time to roll and pull!" ....  hmmmmm

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: battlestu on February 27, 2013, 10:57:06 AM
can't get much better than Darrell "Boogity Boogity Boogity, let's go racin'"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8by2zu8PgQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8by2zu8PgQ)

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on February 27, 2013, 11:08:33 AM
Ummm.   That's horrible.  I personally declare that guy BANNED from TEMAC!  Even though I don't have the authority  :o
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on February 27, 2013, 01:01:43 PM
I was thinking more like...

"Simon, we will wait for you to pick up the bits of your plane from the field before we start the race....."

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on February 27, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
Ooooo!  That's harsh   ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on February 27, 2013, 04:13:58 PM
Just trying to get into Simon's head and throw him off his game. I need every advantage I can get after seeing the motor he's running.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on February 27, 2013, 04:46:20 PM
He IS taking this racing thing seriously.  He's the first one to have his plane ready (besides Frank who cheated by starting a few years early).

I bet Simon will be out practicing this weekend.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 27, 2013, 05:29:59 PM
Sorry I've been a bit quiet on this thread, I'm actually in Arizona on an RC pylon racing camp.  I've learnt so much and my skills have improved significantly.  My times have halved and I am now the fastest Nooner pilot in North America!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 27, 2013, 05:33:47 PM
We should all get together and fly the brushes off of the poor thing!! 
Looking at my kit I'm disappointed that I didn't get the arf now though because I have to cover it all still...  I will get to it soon though
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on February 27, 2013, 06:32:13 PM
Back to an earlier post about Cadez realizing that the Nooner wasn't a biplane.  He has his own class: Twooner racing. 8)


Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Papa on February 27, 2013, 11:58:49 PM
The call to arms will be.

"Pikers,  the mayhem starts NOW"

Jack.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on February 28, 2013, 08:28:46 PM
Quote from: sihinch on February 27, 2013, 05:29:59 PM
Sorry I've been a bit quiet on this thread, I'm actually in Arizona on an RC pylon racing camp.  I've learnt so much and my skills have improved significantly.  My times have halved and I am now the fastest Nooner pilot in North America!

I thought I recognized you.  Arizona Pylon Race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWG01JT22BU#)  !  :)

Andy

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 28, 2013, 08:33:27 PM
Yeah, did you see me at the back with the electric Nooner?

Earlier that day I'd beaten them all!!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on February 28, 2013, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on February 27, 2013, 12:03:36 AM
To get the plane to be fairly balanced without the battery I installed everything except the elevator servo and assembled the plane.  With the CG marked I moved the servo up and down the fuse to see where to put it to get it to come to CG range.  Yes there are medications for these troubles! 

marking the fuse with tape of the location, make or find in the old Rifle parts bag the elevator servo mount you never used and position the servo in its location to measure and bend the pushrod to length.  Figure out the servo throw required to get the recomended elevator travel (+ - 12degrees) Make fancy not for 3d elevator horn and install.  With everything centered install elevator servo.  Glue the elevator pushrod guide tube to the inside of the fuse.  Swear a couple times just for good measure. 

Picture showing battery position to get to cg.  this will allow almost any battery that fits to be able to get to CG required.

All up weight without battery or rx...  Not bad at all if I do say so myself!!

Hi Ed:

If I read the photo correctly it looks like the elevator servo is permanently glued in place.  How would one go about servicing the servo if necessary?

Andy
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on February 28, 2013, 09:08:34 PM
Simple - crash!!!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on February 28, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
Quote " If I read the photo correctly it looks like the elevator servo is permanently glued in place. How would one go about servicing the servo if necessary?"

Picking a good solid reliable servo is a requirement in my opinion for something that will be about one pound and approach 100mph.  But if it ever needed to be removed it will pop out with a screwdriver prying at it a bit.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 01, 2013, 04:49:21 PM
Im sorry guys....  You dont have a chance...  My motor arrived today and I just did some quick tests..

Please be sure to spell my name correctly on the trophy.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 01, 2013, 06:11:49 PM
Ummm.   I don't think so.  My 18A motor is being used to spin up a turbine!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 01, 2013, 06:51:22 PM
Don't have to imagine what that would be like!!!

Swist F5D, Pilots view - Jet Power Messe 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCiCgX31aMk#ws)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 01, 2013, 07:30:39 PM
You can just see my Nooner go past that F5D thing at 46 seconds!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on March 01, 2013, 07:38:28 PM
Quote:  "Please be sure to spell my name correctly on the trophy."

Ed,

Do you want the trophy to be made out to Ed, Edward, A$$hole, or "Granny did it faster"??   ;D

Simon and I are still battling for the "Last Best" trophy

Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 01, 2013, 07:44:26 PM
I figure everyone will be calling me a combination of those and more names soon enough!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 01, 2013, 09:34:01 PM
Plan is for Simon to pick up his plane tomorrow.  He has some stickers to add that I worked around with the covering scheme.  All that is left to do is install a wing bolt and blind nut (I didnt have one nor get a chance to pick one up)  Oh and a prop might help too!

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 01, 2013, 09:36:28 PM
Nice,

Mine won't look anything like that.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 01, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
Mine won't for long!

Awesome work, Ed, thank you
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 02, 2013, 02:10:55 PM
I found the instructions sheets for the Nooner as there was only one copy with the group buy. 
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 02, 2013, 05:21:04 PM
I've nearly finished the Nooner now!   ;)

Blind nut and prop to be added tomorrow.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 02, 2013, 05:57:15 PM
I've officially started mine.

Wing halves glued together.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 03, 2013, 06:12:17 PM
I hope you guys don't mind, but I'd like to note my progress in this thread too.

Wings glued, secured onto fuselage, servo installed and ailerons prepared.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 03, 2013, 06:52:32 PM
The more the merrier Michael!  Did you happen to purchase a dubro set for your aileron linkage?  Happen to have the stock number?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 03, 2013, 08:18:00 PM
Dubro 850, the MICRO set.

I'm not sure if I'll stick with it.

I'll need to test it under stress.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 03, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
I've been working on the little pieces for my Nooner. Deleted the rudder, made the elevator full span and started the install of dual aileron servos in the wing. Still lots to do and covering won't be here till late this week.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 03, 2013, 09:39:49 PM
Are you following the same process as the build thread, Ed, or have you made any changes?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 03, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
As mine is the ARC version I'm doing some things the same but others different. In a gamble against drag I'm installing my aileron servos out in the wing.  Making the elevator full span I actually picked up from the manual I found on line after completing your model.  The fuse so far is the same.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: battlestu on March 04, 2013, 10:55:42 AM
I've also started on my nooner this weekend.

For the painters out there; how would you tackle this fuse? I would like to use a yellow/light blue mix but don't want to add a ton of weight covering up the dark red.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 04, 2013, 11:21:12 AM
I would/will give the fuselage a light sand to rough up the surface, fill the seams, then lightly apply a coat of white primer.  Lightly sand to a glass smooth finish (600 wet sand) then add a thin layer of top colour paint until desired look is acheived.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 04, 2013, 11:29:03 PM
Finished installing the aileron servos into the wing.  4" in from root and 2" up from trailing edge.  Wires all soldered up and installed.  Glued wing halfs together and glassed center bottom.   Bought some 30minute epoxy to test it and it spreads nicer but man is it slow!!  Hope it will be dry before the first race!  There was a joint in the sheeting only a little out from the center on the bottom...  I extended the glass to cover it and the servo pockets as well.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on March 05, 2013, 08:39:30 AM
Quote from: piker on March 04, 2013, 11:21:12 AM
I would/will give the fuselage a light sand to rough up the surface, fill the seams, then lightly apply a coat of white primer.  Lightly sand to a glass smooth finish (600 wet sand) then add a thin layer of top colour paint until desired look is ache

Greg  Over the years of painting racers, yellow is the hardest colour to spray on and get a good covering even with a good coat of white primer. You will pickup alot of extra weight.
Try another colour maybe black, on a lite coat of primer.

Ken
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 05, 2013, 08:57:01 AM
Ken it was nice to meet you at the swap meet. I'm happy to see you joining in on the Nooner racing. Is there a Nooner in your future?  Those EF1 planes did look great and I think I looked just a little too long at them... 
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 05, 2013, 09:18:09 AM
I have a spare ARC Nooner available for purchase.......only $86!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 05, 2013, 09:48:17 AM
Quote from: sihinch on March 05, 2013, 09:18:09 AM
I have a spare ARC Nooner available for purchase.......only $86!

Wait!  You're supposed to save that for me... for when I crash!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 06, 2013, 11:21:11 PM
Ive finished all the bits and have started covering.  Yes it is Orange isnt it...  I imagined it would look ok but so far.....

Whats left?
Cover ailerons and elevator some trim,  Install elevator servo, linkages and remaining equipment

possibly fly saturday!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on March 07, 2013, 08:57:28 AM
Quote from: sihinch on March 05, 2013, 09:18:09 AM
I have a spare ARC Nooner available for purchase.......only $86!

Simon  Its a good idea to have a back-up pylon racer, as things happen when racing [mid-airs & bad air around the pylons].
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on March 07, 2013, 09:51:48 AM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on March 05, 2013, 08:57:01 AM
Ken it was nice to meet you at the swap meet. I'm happy to see you joining in on the Nooner racing. Is there a Nooner in your future?  Those EF1 planes did look great and I think I looked just a little too long at them...

Ed Just keep looking at the F 1's, you won't damage your eyes, when you are ready, just give me shout, as I will have enough ARF parts here to put together a Dara or Shoestring.
As for the nooner, my plate is full with F 1's, sport flying, fishing and Honey-Do lists,also a trailer on Georgian Bay.
The nooner program will be great for the club and keeps everyone enthusiastic.

Ken
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 07, 2013, 10:07:39 AM
Hey Ed!  I like the orange.  Add some black trim and it'll be saweet!  Like this:

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 07, 2013, 10:23:38 AM
I have 2 right elevator halves (I think it's number "16"); my kit is number 18.

Anyone have 2 left elevators?

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 07, 2013, 10:32:24 AM
Sorry Michael.
???

Let me check with the 2 that I have left.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 07, 2013, 10:37:56 AM
Oh Michael's trying to deviate from the stock outline! LOL
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 07, 2013, 10:41:06 AM
Hey Michael, you could just mount one upside down and hinge on the bottom.  That would work fine and it would make your Nooner "special"
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 07, 2013, 10:47:01 AM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on March 07, 2013, 10:37:56 AM
Oh Michael's trying to deviate from the stock outline! LOL

Didn't you make your elevator one piece with balsa in the middle?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 07, 2013, 11:17:40 AM

Oh Michael's trying to deviate from the stock outline! LOL
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Didn't you make your elevator one piece with balsa in the middle?
[/quote]

Yes I did. I was joking about the other series rules
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 07, 2013, 02:16:04 PM
Oh, the other series.   ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 07, 2013, 09:28:56 PM
A little progress.  :)

Elevators glued together with a spacer and a flat strip of carbon fiber for extra strength glued in a shallow slot for a flush fit.

One of the elevators with my kit was incorrect so the left elevator was cut and sanded from scrap balsa.

Control horn in place but not glued.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Papa on March 07, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
Hey Ed where did you get that neat 4 pin plug for the two servos?

Jack.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 07, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: Papa on March 07, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
Hey Ed where did you get that neat 4 pin plug for the two servos?

Jack.

Its a 4pin micro Deans Jack.  Makes great connection even capable of 10 amps!  Great quality/value. Come in red and black too

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/micro-4r-4-pin-connector-black-WSD1241 (http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/micro-4r-4-pin-connector-black-WSD1241)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 08, 2013, 11:00:24 AM
So Michael built his own replacement elevator half, which looks great, but I have his rejected one.  If anyone in the group build finds they have two of the same side, as Michael did, let me know.  I probably have the opposite side.

Robert
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 08, 2013, 06:00:16 PM
I only have a few finishing touches to complete the plane to fly it tomorrow.   Trouble is no energy.  I need motivation or one of Cadez's elves
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 08, 2013, 06:10:25 PM
I'm gonna work on mine tonight! How's that for competition!?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 08, 2013, 08:47:13 PM
OK OK Simon!   The race to whos Nooner is airborne first is on. Frank your disqualified for no reason at all.

Hmmm I should just pick up some lucky and go to Greg's house!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 08, 2013, 09:03:19 PM
Mine's done!  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 08, 2013, 09:17:05 PM
Finish them!

I want to see at least one of them fly this weekend.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 08, 2013, 09:23:59 PM
Mine is all set up and ready to fly!

Only 150 watts though at 15A with a 5x5 prop.  Will have to get a bigger prop!  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on March 08, 2013, 09:46:05 PM
Whats the cost of admission to the show!!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 08, 2013, 10:03:24 PM
Your done Simon?  Wow you must have had a head start. Does this mean I can quit now?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 09, 2013, 01:04:20 AM
I doubt I will make Saturday...  its been one if those times when you try to do something and EVERYTHING goes wrong.

In four hours I managed to:

Install a wing bolt..
Install two aileron horns
Make two push rods
swear about 1,000,000 times

Elevator servo not even started
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 09, 2013, 10:23:33 AM
This old thing?  still need to add more covering to the tail but its done.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 09, 2013, 10:26:05 AM
Nice, yet another nooner that mine won't look anything like...
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Papa on March 09, 2013, 02:25:27 PM
Hi Ken, the cost of admission is simple. Buy a Nooner from Icarus. They have an ARC and an ARF version. If you tell them it's part of the TEMAC buy they may give you a 10% discount. Ask anyway it can't do any harm.

Rules are posted on the web site as you come in under 'getting started'. You can build your own but the Nooner was designed for the class and is a good way to start. I expect some own designs for next year.

Jack.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 09, 2013, 03:37:47 PM
Well, I just got home after maidening my Nooner. For once Frank was right, this is an awesome flying aeroplane!

My trim was very off on the first flight, so that was a bit scary.  But once sorted if flew beautifully, it was a real pleasure. Very direct and precise and it slows down incredibly.  The landing speed was very tame, and I think I was still coming in quicker than I needed to.

Andy took some pictures, so give me half an hour and I will upload a few (after sending them to Jack for a TRN.)

Ed also maidened his - on our second flight we had a mini race. With his 200+ watts and my 150, the result was inevitable. Never mind piloting skill!

This will be a great race series!

And the field was busy! Jeff, Ronnie, Gerhard, Simon C, Greg C, Greg & Mike H, Andy, Michael, Robert, Ken Ross, Ed and me!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 09, 2013, 04:28:54 PM
First two flights on the books. Couple hints for the others...

Trim.  My and I think Simon's ailerons had quite a bit of twist to them. Leading to a couple of exciting seconds off the launch. Once dialed in though it quickly became comfortable in the air. Its quite a nice flyer and although I've only had two flights I found it easy to carve some turns. I heard some remarks from the peanut gallery "lower!" But I figured I was pushing quite hard on the new model and it showed no bad habits. I even flew it around low and slow a few laps and its speed range is quite good.

After Simon flew his I dialed back my throws. Before the second flight I adjusted them a little more. A couple asked for travel info and I measured them when I got home.

Elevator + - 6mm 20% expo
Aileron  + - 4mm 30% expo

These are a good starting point with a 2" cg
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 09, 2013, 04:52:45 PM
Just a few shots to whet the appetite.  :D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 09, 2013, 05:02:11 PM
Caption contest.......

"Damn, after seeing Simon fly, I don't know how I'm going to beat him and that red racing Nooner!"
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 09, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
That photo 325 is how low I usually fly.   As for the quote ...

" why did I do such a good job on his plane....  stupid stupid stupid"
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on March 10, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
re:  For once Frank was right, this is an awesome flying aeroplane!

Hey Simon,

There's a first time for everything.  My perfect record of being totally wrong has been shattered. ;D  Oh, well..... next time.  Sorry to disappoint.

Nice to see Ed's flying altitude (pic 325) is determined by the prop diameter.  Hey, Ed, if you go down to a 4.1x4.1 prop you can fly 1/2" lower... with a little practice.  Those poor worms sticking their heads up will be threatened.


Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 12, 2013, 11:33:53 PM
Just an update to my personal recommendations for the ailerons. When I built Simon's Nooner I built it to have approximately + -10mm travel same as another plane I have and as no throws are given in the instructions.  First flight results showed that just 5mm is all that will be required. I offered to re do the geometry on the plane but still had a little more slop than with my dual aileron servos out in the wings set up did.   This has prompted me to re do the wings to be the same as mine. Straight linkages servos out in the wings.

If you are going with a single servo and torque rods for your own flight performance please make them solid and with no slop. 
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 13, 2013, 08:25:32 AM
Hope my wing doesn't collapse with the "1000 G" that I will be pulling in the turns!

:P
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 13, 2013, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on March 09, 2013, 04:28:54 PM

Trim.  My and I think Simon's ailerons had quite a bit of twist to them.



I was working on mine and noticed that as well. The outboard edges of my ailerons are twisted up. With a bit more on the left side than on the right.

Not sure if this can be corrected. Any thoughts from some of the more experienced builders? Or should I just be prepared for a bit of a wild ride on the maiden flight?

Additionally, I'm having a bugger of a time with the single aileron servo setup. lots of play in the linkages and fitting everything under that spacious canopy is a bit of a task as well. I'm debating just going with the dual aileron setup and move on from it.  Are there any hard and fast rules for where wing mounted servos should go? I'm thinking of putting them right on the CG line and about 1/3 of the way out from the fuse.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 13, 2013, 05:52:36 PM


I was working on mine and noticed that as well. The outboard edges of my ailerons are twisted up. With a bit more on the left side than on the right.

Not sure if this can be corrected. Any thoughts from some of the more experienced builders? Or should I just be prepared for a bit of a wild ride on the maiden flight?

Additionally, I'm having a bugger of a time with the single aileron servo setup. lots of play in the linkages and fitting everything under that spacious canopy is a bit of a task as well. I'm debating just going with the dual aileron setup and move on from it.  Are there any hard and fast rules for where wing mounted servos should go? I'm thinking of putting them right on the CG line and about 1/3 of the way out from the fuse.
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For the warped ailerons there is a chance that some washout was built into the wing/ailerons.  This would improve the slow speed stall but I doubt it will be an issue with the modern equipment.  I removed my warps after with a nice hot iron and holding the warped surface a little reflexed past where straight was and let it cool.  Takes a little time but the results are noticable.

As for the dual aileron locations you dont want them to far out as it makes the wings heavier in roll dampening and also the wing becomes thinner making for less room for the servos between the sheeting.  I installed mine and now Simons as shown and the result is rock solid and simple.  Yes there might be a little more drag but I would take that over the slop any day!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 13, 2013, 10:22:28 PM
Thanks Ed.

Looks like I'll be needing some more sharp blades for my hobby knife.

Plus I noticed there wasn't a whole lot of "down" on the ailerons (or elevator for that matter). With a single servo that can't be good for the servo as it tries to drive the down aileron into the trailing edge of the wing. With two servos I can set some differential. As for the elevator, I suppose as long as I don't try to fly the course inverted. I should be ok.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 13, 2013, 10:48:44 PM
You can put in differential with a single servo too  :)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 13, 2013, 11:18:46 PM
finished!   Simon is cheating though!  he is 2g under the required weight!  Lets all hope the new spinners weight just that much more..   Nice looking planes if I dont say so myself. 

PS this is my 666th post.  Oh how I wish that number would stay there LOL!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 14, 2013, 08:01:10 AM
Thanks again Ed. 

I think mine definitely looks faster.  And I will make good use of those 2 grams! ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 14, 2013, 10:31:13 PM
So I bit the bullet and went with the dual aileron setup as well. Was't too much trouble to install them. New linkages are in place and as Goldmember would say "they're toight, toight like a tiger"...toight like a tiger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu31VyXlTzo#ws)

Also glued in the motor mount. But I'd rather not revisit that particular barrel of fun right now.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 14, 2013, 10:45:03 PM
I agree that the slop / drag trade for the dual aileron servos method is worth the work.  Possibly its easier that farting around with torque rods and that little space under the canopy!  Heck ive done Simons TWICE!  As for the firewall yes we all enjoyed that battle.  some how there has to be an easier way.  Oh and if you didnt struggle with it Robert we dont want to hear about it.

I belive there were 12 models where are the rest in the build?  Will any others be completed for the weekend?? 

Ready and waiting.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 14, 2013, 11:52:28 PM
Well, I WAS going to tell you my technique, but not now.

I'll let you know how it goes when I get to my Nooner.  Right now it's in a plastic back, hangin' on the wall.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: battlestu on March 15, 2013, 08:33:37 AM
just waiting on some aileron linkages ... but with all this talk of dual aileron setups it makes me wonder if i should also use dual ailerons...
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 16, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
I want to cut a small air-intake in the 'chin' fuselage, about 8-10 mm wide and 2-3 mm tall.

Does anyone see a problem with this?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 16, 2013, 09:58:10 PM
I think mine has one....
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 16, 2013, 10:18:24 PM
Yes it does, photo on page 2.

Thanks.

I'm going to circumcise mine too.  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 16, 2013, 11:40:10 PM
Almost ready to go... Only thing left is to install the elevator servo..


Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 17, 2013, 12:39:26 AM
That looks like a fast one, Mike! Nice work.

It's Darth Nooner!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 17, 2013, 04:38:56 AM
The race for third ready is heating up.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Gregor77 on March 17, 2013, 04:48:06 AM
You should be sleeping!  To early to be posting!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 17, 2013, 05:17:08 AM
Going fishing...  and look who is talking lol.  You finishing up yours now?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Gregor77 on March 17, 2013, 05:41:49 AM
Just started. Lol.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 17, 2013, 08:38:16 AM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on March 17, 2013, 04:38:56 AM
The race for third ready is heating up.

Don't announce the race winners yet.

I know someone who bought a $190 motor for his Nooner.

There may be some surprises in this competition.

(It's not me.  ;D )
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 17, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
I was calling the race to ready to race.

$190 for the motor !   Serious much
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 17, 2013, 10:09:28 AM
... the race to being ready to race? OK, then ...

I'll be there soon.

Motor, speed control, prop, spinner, aileron linkages and aileron servo installed.

Fuselage slots for stabilizer and fin neatly cut out, and elevator halves joined.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 17, 2013, 10:19:04 AM
Pics Michael, we need pics!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on March 17, 2013, 01:23:10 PM
Hey Simon,

These guys are way too serious.  They are throwing dollars to the race gods.   Our battle for second last place is much more intense and cheaper.  In fact, I am going to donate a second last place trophy to be awarded each race.  It will make our race to mediocrity worthwhile.

Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 17, 2013, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: Frank v B on March 17, 2013, 01:23:10 PM
Hey Simon,

These guys are way too serious.  They are throwing dollars to the race gods.   Our battle for second last place is much more intense and cheaper.  In fact, I am going to donate a second last place trophy to be awarded each race.  It will make our race to mediocrity worthwhile.

Frank

My brushless inrunner cost less than a brushed speed 400!

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 17, 2013, 01:48:40 PM
To make it even more competetive Frank, I will donate an Oreo cookie prize to whoever is second-last each race! 

Dead last gets a single-serve (2 biscuit) pack or Ritz!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on March 17, 2013, 02:36:56 PM
Simon,

That's not an incentive.  That's called putting me on a diet!!! >:(
 
It's a bag of cookies or nothing.  None of this twin pack diet ****.  ;D

Frank

ps:  **** Ben's auto-censor bull detector program kicked in.  One word, 4 letters, sounds like "hit" but means the opposite, describes your flying style and describes what I am full of.  Good guess, Simon.  8)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 17, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
Now then VB, making comment on my flying style and using a nasty word is slanderous, rude and insulting!

Let the battles commence.

Eat my slip stream, Flying Dutchman!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on March 17, 2013, 03:07:08 PM
re: "Eat my slip stream, Flying Dutchman!"

Oh gosh, I just woke a sleeping giant. ;D

The only time I want to fly in your slip stream is when you are about to be lapped.   8)  I will probably still be about 3 laps behind Ed and the boys.

Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 17, 2013, 04:50:41 PM
This cookie battle for second last has me re thinking my race strategy.  Who doesn't love cookies
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on March 17, 2013, 05:27:48 PM
Simon,

Our strategy is working!! 

We have the fast boys re-thinking their strategy. ;D


Frank "the slow one"
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 17, 2013, 07:30:57 PM
My wife's family motto, of ancient times, is actually "Not The Last."  So I guess that means I'm going to be second to last, and get the Oreos!

I got my new 85C 3S lipo today.........
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 17, 2013, 07:48:09 PM
That's quite the motto. I'm sure that you can reach those lofty heights if you set your mind to it.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on March 17, 2013, 08:01:45 PM
Simon

re "I got my new 85C 3S lipo today........."

Should have bought more than a 350 mah pack!!!

May your batteries poop out on the last (ninth) lap!

Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 17, 2013, 08:12:12 PM
Im more the "Second is the first loser" kind of guy but cookies is cookies man!

was up way to early today and didnt even go flying!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 17, 2013, 08:43:29 PM
Quote from: sihinch on March 17, 2013, 10:19:04 AM
Pics Michael, we need pics!

Motor, spinner and prop.

Small air intake cut into fuselage and painted to match.

I have a few long days of work ahead of me, and probably won't get anything done until next weekend.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 17, 2013, 08:48:45 PM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on March 17, 2013, 08:12:12 PM
Im more the "Second is the first loser" kind of guy but cookies is cookies man!

was up way to early today and didnt even go flying!

Are those the trophies for first and second place?

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 17, 2013, 08:56:12 PM
There's something fishy about Ed's tactics!  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 17, 2013, 09:07:06 PM
Are those the trophies for first and second place?

In a word NO lol.
they are in smaller pieces now
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on March 17, 2013, 11:03:47 PM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on March 17, 2013, 08:12:12 PM
Im more the "Second is the first loser" kind of guy but cookies is cookies man!

was up way to early today and didnt even go flying!

Ed A couple of nice rainbows, where you fishing out Port Hope way. Must have got some good roe [trout eggs], a day like that is better than a days flying.
I have been fishing bows for many years, slowing down now, getting too old.

Ken
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 18, 2013, 10:33:43 AM
Now then Ken, careful! "Better than a days flying"? We'll start doubting your commitment!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 18, 2013, 10:03:03 PM
Quote"
Ed A couple of nice rainbows, where you fishing out Port Hope way. Must have got some good roe [trout eggs], a day like that is better than a days flying. I have been fishing bows for many years, slowing down now, getting too old."

Yes out that way. My friend caught one last week and donated the roe for my trip.  Total for the day for us was 11 but all but 3 went right back.  Picked up the fishing bug years ago and still try to get out when I can.  As for the age thing I was feeling it today!  Long day.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on March 18, 2013, 10:54:34 PM
Quote from: sihinch on March 18, 2013, 10:33:43 AM
Now then Ken, careful! "Better than a days flying"? We'll start doubting your commitment!

Simon I must admit pylon racing might be a bit better. There is an old saying remember GO-Fast-Turn- Left.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on March 18, 2013, 11:00:41 PM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on March 18, 2013, 10:03:03 PM
Quote"
Ed A couple of nice rainbows, where you fishing out Port Hope way. Must have got some good roe [trout eggs], a day like that is better than a days flying. I have been fishing bows for many years, slowing down now, getting too old."

Yes out that way. My friend caught one last week and donated the roe for my trip.  Total for the day for us was 11 but all but 3 went right back.  Picked up the fishing bug years ago and still try to get out when I can.  As for the age thing I was feeling it today!  Long day.

Would it have been the brown pop's, when you got home!!!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 19, 2013, 09:23:32 AM
Guess what Michael - the kit with the 2 elevators that don't match (to go with the elevator mix-up that you had) is the ARC that I have at home.  So my mistake and my loss!

Can I get the one back (that you had to replace - sorry  :-[), please?

Thanks!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 19, 2013, 11:15:57 AM
I have Michael's rejected elevator half.  I was saving it for just such an occasion.  I'll bring it to the meeting on Saturday.

Robert
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 19, 2013, 11:48:09 AM
Meeting is Sunday Robert, and I'm afraid I can't be there.

I'll get it from you soon.

Please keep it for me!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 19, 2013, 01:09:55 PM
O.K.  Thanks.  I was thinking the meeting was on the 23rd.  Too bad you can't make it.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: battlestu on March 20, 2013, 08:28:04 AM
she's almost ready to rock ... just need to find some "sunshine and lollipops" decals to finish it off
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on March 20, 2013, 09:56:22 AM
Quote from: battlestu on March 20, 2013, 08:28:04 AM
she's almost ready to rock ... just need to find some "sunshine and lollipops" decals to finish it off

She looks fast Greg, now go and kick some butts!!! Bring it to Orangeville and ring it out.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 21, 2013, 03:38:22 PM
Just spent some time trying to get my elevator setup secured to the plane. Seemed like it should be rather easy, for some reason this happened...

Homer Rages at his failed BBQ Grill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bHXMogzEm0#)


Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 21, 2013, 04:55:55 PM
This should be fairly simple but there are a few steps. Where were you having trouble?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 21, 2013, 05:34:25 PM
Meh, I think I got it sorted out. The lack of any sort of mount and the small space available was making things harder than they should be in getting the servo exactly where I needed it and for it to lay flat so it could be glued.

IMHO, as someone who builds ARF's more than anything,  this plane although not difficult to build required more "tricks", small parts and hardware to finish than I would have liked.

I sure hope it flies well....
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 21, 2013, 05:44:53 PM
Flew mine at 4:30 today. Its a blast you won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on March 21, 2013, 09:28:49 PM
Wing covered; no ailerons shown.

Star burst top; yellow bottom.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 21, 2013, 09:44:43 PM
Wow!  That wing really POPS!   Don't want to race against you because I will be mesmerized by your plane.

Looks good Michael we should all bring our nooners to the Sunday meeting
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on March 21, 2013, 10:29:05 PM
Quote from: Michael on March 21, 2013, 09:28:49 PM
Wing covered; no ailerons shown.

Star burst top; yellow bottom.


Absolutely beautiful Mike!  Way to go!! 

Andy
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 22, 2013, 12:31:27 AM
OK so I'm going to put this thing down for the night...

The elevator servo and linkage is still kicking my butt. Had everything glued in and all I had to do was make a z bend at the elevator control horn... And the push rod broke on me.... >:(

Now I got to rip the whole thing out and start again.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 23, 2013, 04:08:12 PM
Just changed the prop on mine, since I put the new spinner on I thought "might as well."

Now, with the 5.25 x 6.25 APC speed 400 prop with a 2200kV motor I get 172 watts at 18A full throttle, static.  Should be perfect for the race!  :D

Now I just need to learn how to fly it.  2 aileron servos connected directly to the aileron made the plane much more precise.  It's an awesome flying aeroplane.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 23, 2013, 05:39:30 PM
[quote\]
Now, with the 5.25 x 6.25 APC speed 400 prop with a 2200kV motor I get 172 watts at 18A full throttle, static
[/quote]

Seems low on voltage. Were the batteries cold from being at the field?  Even picking up one volt will push you to 200W
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: fprieto on March 23, 2013, 06:54:30 PM
I think now I'm good to go...
I will start with 4.75x4.75 prop...
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 23, 2013, 07:05:12 PM
Damn!  Yellow, Flames AND a Rudder!  Great to see some variety in the racers.  Looks great!

We should all bring our nooners to the Sunday meeting at noon!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 23, 2013, 07:16:09 PM
Nice!

Does anyone have an extra pushrod? I need one as I keep screwing up my elevator linkage...  :(

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on March 23, 2013, 07:28:20 PM
I have one number sent in pm
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 23, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
Fabiano, that looks AWESOME! Nice looking plane. Wow.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: fprieto on March 23, 2013, 08:29:02 PM
Thanks,
I hope it flies nice as well !!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 10, 2013, 04:22:53 PM
After a little break from Nooners im right back at it.  Figured I would post a picture of my secret weapon for the series just before the team selections!  As it has three wings its going to have one huge motor and 3 Thunderbird 18 esc's. 

Actualy ive been conrtracted to build TWO MORE! 

Anyone else have any progres to report?  Robert have you opened the bag yet?  If I get put on your team im not building your plane~!~
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on April 10, 2013, 05:02:52 PM
I'm going to build mine the night before the first race, then have my first race my first flight... just to give you guys a head start and a slim chance to win a race before I start taking home all the trophies.  That's the kind of nice guy I am.

And why the heck would I want you to screw up MY plane too?  I know this, building the planes of all your competitors, is part of your strategy...
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on April 10, 2013, 07:57:21 PM
Mine seems to fly nicely - are you scared Robert?  :o
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 10, 2013, 08:33:58 PM
After running around the room several times with the Nooner "Tri Tri again" plane Ive realized its just to dificult to get the required amount of power into it.  Then I had a revelation and the Nooner "menage a trois" is born!!  The outer props will counter rotate and the center motor will be a counter rotating set up!  Its still in the design phase but as its out of the bag its already faster than Roberts plane!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on April 10, 2013, 09:36:06 PM
Wow! Put me down for one of those, please Ed!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on April 12, 2013, 03:21:20 PM
I made a HUGE step forward in the construction of my Nooner last night... I chose the colours I'm going to use... not the colour scheme... just the colours.

I don't want to rush things too much.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 12, 2013, 03:36:04 PM
Setting quite the pace there Robert!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on April 12, 2013, 04:01:35 PM
Quote from: piker on April 12, 2013, 03:21:20 PM
I made a HUGE step forward in the construction of my Nooner last night... I chose the colours I'm going to use... not the colour scheme... just the colours.

I don't want to rush things too much.

Let hope your race like you build.... slowly..
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on April 12, 2013, 04:07:55 PM
Can't rush perfection  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on April 13, 2013, 09:37:03 PM
Slow progress, but progress none the less.

I glued the wings together and glassed the centre section, joined the elevator halves, glued the rudder to the fin, covered the stab and one aileron, then had to quit for the day to go for sushi.

Robert
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on April 13, 2013, 09:41:07 PM
There's something fishy about your story Robert!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: fprieto on April 14, 2013, 09:16:54 PM
just maiden it my one today !!!
what a nice baby.... it's really easy to fly it.

I'm very pleased.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 14, 2013, 09:30:51 PM
Great to hear another one has flown. I'm working away on a couple more.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: electroflyer on April 15, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
    I better get my ass in gear and start building..... Ha, really just need to cover and done. It was a bit tricky setting up tail controls, but it is all working out. By the way Full house here.

   Glenn
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 15, 2013, 01:31:50 PM
Glen....  didn't you get the memo?  I requested you be disqualified just to improve my chances of winning.   My argument was based on the fact that the previous series they gave up giving the results because you had been champion for so long
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: electroflyer on April 16, 2013, 10:50:34 AM
       Sorry, no memo received. But don't worry Ed, I'm sure my dumb luck is running out.  ;)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on April 16, 2013, 01:09:37 PM
That's right!  Dumb luck and a bit of cheating!... ya... I went there...
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 16, 2013, 02:07:04 PM
If dumb luck is running out how the heck am I supposed to win?  Oh I know my plane is faster now because it has a fasst receiver!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on April 17, 2013, 09:58:40 AM
Some more Nooner building action last night.  Got the wings mounted and... well, that's about it, but I was glad to get that done so I have a reference for glueing the tail bits on next.  The rest after that, hinging control surfaces and linkages, and glueing the motor mount in, is easy.  I should have it ready by the end of the weekend.

Robert
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on April 18, 2013, 02:11:53 PM
Hey Ed!  What was that particular tape you recommended for hinging?  Scotch brand ????

Thanks.

Robert
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 18, 2013, 03:49:16 PM
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=SSSSSufSevTsZxtU4Y_9Mx_GevuSevTSevTSevTSeSSSSSS-- (http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=SSSSSufSevTsZxtU4Y_9Mx_GevuSevTSevTSevTSeSSSSSS--)

That one but I think I use the 3/4" one.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on April 18, 2013, 05:39:41 PM
Thanks.  From Staples I assume?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on April 20, 2013, 04:17:01 PM
Hi all,
I'm finally getting started. No secrets here, i'm using the motor from my Projeti since I don't fly it much anymore. 2700kv. 3s 2200s. Probably too heavy but not worried because my sunracer carries 2200s with half the wing area and a 1/4 the wing thickness. I have a spinner and a bunch of props to try. Reading this thread it looks like wing mounting servos is the way to go. Thanks everyone (specially Ed) for taking the time to document their efforts.

Pulled two vintage S80 servos out of the Projeti. Will use them for the Nooner wings, found another probably even older S80 in my drawer for elevator. I'm making my Nooner's rudder static. Servos all seem to work fine-ish. These servos are probably old enough to have been in the Nooner when it was first released. Will my Nooner be the only one in the line up with period servos?

I'll glass the wing joint but will just cover the rest of the wing with Monokote. I'm thinking of using a stub nose spinner and cutting out cooling holes in the fuse to keep the air flowing.

Any watch-outs or specific tips I missed?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 20, 2013, 04:45:27 PM
Would use low temp covering as its easy to warp the sheeted foam ailerons. Also would recommend elevator rod set to pull up. Wouldn't worry to much about cooling the little chin scoop seems to be just fine so far...
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on April 20, 2013, 08:08:26 PM
Thanks Ed.

I noticed the front wing mount in the fuse looks like it has already been reinforced in my fuse. Ed, was yours like this before you reinforced it further?

Ben
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 20, 2013, 08:54:09 PM
I added some extra inside and in the wing saddle area.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 23, 2013, 10:59:31 PM
I have fought with getting the firewall in perfectly and I understand a couple others did too.  The other day I realized and used a new method to install it and damn is it easy!  See photo.  With the bolt in there you can wiggle twist and push the blasted thing into perfect position!  Why did it take me the third try??

Second picture is Bobby's wing all done.  Servos,  pushrods, wired and striped!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on April 25, 2013, 06:25:34 PM
I hate fibreglass. Just saying.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 25, 2013, 06:47:44 PM
A trick I use is just a little spray adhesive is nice to keep it in place.

But yes its easy to hate it
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 25, 2013, 10:49:51 PM
Bobby's plane status:
Servos,  firewall,  tail,  canopy/fairing all done. Just some striping and install motor/esc. 

Motor manufacturers.....  supply the damn screws!  In the big picture what's it going to add to our price and subtract from our frustration??
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on April 26, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on April 25, 2013, 10:49:51 PM
Bobby's plane status:
Servos,  firewall,  tail,  canopy/fairing all done. Just some striping and install motor/esc. 

Motor manufacturers.....  supply the damn screws!  In the big picture what's it going to add to our price and subtract from our frustration??

What brand of motor is Bobby using?  I use E-Flite and they always come with a full set of mounting hardware and screws.  Andy
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 26, 2013, 05:29:06 PM
Bobby's racer is done!  (ok im going to add a couple more white stripes to the top of the wing).

12.6oz all up except battery.
CG 1/8" forward of the 2" recomended without battery.

Do I collect champinship points in the series for planes that ive built?  Seems fair..lol
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on April 26, 2013, 05:53:54 PM
You actually lose points, for helping other teams!

Sorry!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 26, 2013, 05:59:23 PM
Quote from: sihinch on April 26, 2013, 05:53:54 PM
You actually lose points, for helping other teams!

Sorry!

I regret to advise you of a manufacturers recal regarding your plane.  Please return it to your Nooner service center as soon as possible...  Seems a large chunk of lead was omitted durring the assembly of your plane and needs to be installed.  Thank you for your compliance.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 27, 2013, 07:54:11 PM
Two more successful maidens of nooners today!
Mike H and Glen both had a couple of textbook flights.  As Simon  previously had stated Mike repeated that he was impressed with how well the plane flew!  We even had a little race/hot laps together and the planes seemed stable fast and quite well matched.  Its going to be a fun competitive series
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on April 28, 2013, 11:30:31 AM
I love fiberglass. Just saying.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on April 28, 2013, 11:36:59 AM
Make your mind up, Ben!  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Bobmic on April 29, 2013, 08:08:11 AM
Thank you Ed !!!!  ;D ;D

What a great job building my plane - love the details and appreciate the effort.

So I actually managed to fly the Nooner after the weekend transmitter mess. Flew really nice even with me insisting in pushing the virtual rudder around. I noticed it pulls up quite a bit when throttling up so I will add some Throttle / Elevator mix and hopefully I can keep it in a straight line.
I really have no clue how to keep it flying in a tight loop and constant height: Greg, Michael and Frank (hope I didn't miss any other Team member..) can I ask for some training sessions ?

Anyhow thanks again Ed.
Bobby
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on May 04, 2013, 12:44:16 AM
Who is ready and who is not?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on May 05, 2013, 12:21:58 AM
I'm no further along than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I'm very close.  An hours work (mostly for some decoration) and I'll be ready for a test flight.  I plan to finish it off tomorrow evening (Sunday).

Robert
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on May 05, 2013, 06:08:14 PM
Maiden and 2nd flights today.

Flew great; need to adjust aileron servo/controls.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: battlestu on May 05, 2013, 06:49:17 PM
Finally got the maiden out of the way... Wow what a rush ;D

Already itching to fly her again
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on May 05, 2013, 08:46:41 PM
Its a great airframe. Rewarding yet forgiving.

Looks like a couple of the teams are ready!

Congrats on the maidens guys!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on May 06, 2013, 07:42:12 AM
When do we intend on starting racing.?
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Bobmic on May 06, 2013, 07:55:40 AM
Racing !!!!
I can only fly around with it...  - I don't see how I can keep it in a circuit.

...Unless you refer to drug racing, one pass at a time :)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Michael on May 06, 2013, 08:34:46 AM
I think you meant 'drag' racing.

If that's what we're going to do, then I'm out!

There's no way I'll be wearing women's clothes at TEMAC!

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Papa on May 06, 2013, 09:28:33 AM
AW Shucks, I think you would look good in Pink Frillies. LOL.

Jack.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Bobmic on May 06, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: Michael on May 06, 2013, 08:34:46 AM
I think you meant 'drag' racing.

If that's what we're going to do, then I'm out!

There's no way I'll be wearing women's clothes at TEMAC!

Sorry - Didn't get enough sleep yesterday and the burning sun didn't help but on a second though this could be interesting, I am sure it will be a one of a kind race :)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Bobmic on May 06, 2013, 12:41:47 PM
Quote from: Michael on May 06, 2013, 08:34:46 AM
I think you meant 'drag' racing.

If that's what we're going to do, then I'm out!

There's no way I'll be wearing women's clothes at TEMAC!

Sorry - didn't get enough sleep yesterday and the burning sun didn't help. But on a second thought this could be a one of a kind event
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Papa on May 06, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
In keeping with the deck of cards theme I suppose you will have to dress up as "queens".

Jack.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on May 06, 2013, 06:39:58 PM
Shh Jack your such a Joker!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on May 06, 2013, 06:44:15 PM
Quote from: Bobmic on May 06, 2013, 07:55:40 AM
Racing !!!!
I can only fly around with it...  - I don't see how I can keep it in a circuit.

...Unless you refer to drug racing, one pass at a time :)

Make sure you pass on the left hand side.. ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on May 18, 2013, 10:27:53 PM
Yay!!!!!   I maidened my Nooner today!

It was a really fast flight!  You guys will have to watch out.  My flight only took about 2.5 seconds.  THAT's how fast MY plane is!!!

Robert of Diamonds... ya... that's right....
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on May 18, 2013, 11:45:13 PM
It's about time you caught up with the pack, Pikey!

No points for second! 

Well, I think there are in our racing, but you get my point!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on May 19, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
As a witness to Roberts maiden I can confirm that his flight was a quick one.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Papa on May 19, 2013, 09:41:34 AM
Too quick for Greg's camera EH!

Jack.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: battlestu on May 19, 2013, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: Papa on May 19, 2013, 09:41:34 AM
Too quick for Greg's camera EH!

Jack.

We need a better photographer to catch Rob's plane..... Andy or Simon might have had a chance  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on May 19, 2013, 08:51:05 PM
Yes!  The launch was great, the roll rate was impressive, and the landing, well...  firm.  Repairs are well underway  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on May 26, 2013, 03:18:40 PM
I finally finished up my Naked Nooner. B41 (chosen by my 9-year-old daughter - my name and my age).

Will maiden once the hurricane dies down.

Ben
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on May 26, 2013, 04:31:40 PM
I was on the fence when you said it would be naked but now that I've seen the results I like it!

Everybody knows the best way to enjoy a nooner is with wood...
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on May 26, 2013, 05:00:25 PM
You are on fire  :)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on May 26, 2013, 05:02:13 PM
I think B41 looks fabulous naked!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: wollins on May 27, 2013, 01:29:10 PM
Finally finished mine!  Ordered the ARC for the practice since I've never ever covered a plane or even a part of a plane before (I've glassed planes but never heat shrink covering) and am pretty pleased with how it turned out considering my lack of experience.  Fuse needs to be touched up but other than that she's ready to go.
Colin
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on May 27, 2013, 02:53:32 PM
Beautfiul job Colin!  Good inspiration for my still-in-progress ARC.

Andy
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on May 27, 2013, 04:27:33 PM
Lookin' great, guys!!!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on May 27, 2013, 04:55:19 PM
Wow Colin intends to go VERY fast!  He even has fairings on his aileron servo pushrods!

With the variety of the look of the planes identification should be easier than I predicted at the beginning. We need a pre season group photo.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: wollins on May 27, 2013, 06:09:03 PM
Quote from: Andy Hoffer on May 27, 2013, 02:53:32 PM
Beautfiul job Colin!  Good inspiration for my still-in-progress ARC.

Andy

Thanks Andy! Yeah Ed ... my servos stuck out a bit too much for my liking and I had some extra servo covers so voila!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on May 27, 2013, 08:10:02 PM
Quote from: wollins on May 27, 2013, 06:09:03 PM
Quote from: Andy Hoffer on May 27, 2013, 02:53:32 PM
Beautfiul job Colin!  Good inspiration for my still-in-progress ARC.

Andy

Thanks Andy! Yeah Ed ... my servos stuck out a bit too much for my liking and I had some extra servo covers so voila!

The servo & aileron horn / pushrod covers should also help avoid servo gear damage from the occasional white hot landing!! :)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on May 27, 2013, 10:30:15 PM
I tend to make all my landings prop first. Saves the servos.

Note to self... buy more props.  ::)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on June 06, 2013, 02:33:36 PM
Good luck to everyone this weekend. I'll be at my son's baseball tournament but I look forward to hearing how it went.

Ben
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on June 06, 2013, 03:20:35 PM
Hearts are gonna win!  8)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on July 14, 2013, 12:52:05 AM
I believe its time to start heckling about the up coming race on the 20th.

As Mike H seems to be hot on the tails I'm going to start by saying....  Catch me if you can!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on July 14, 2013, 10:13:11 AM
Well, as is always the case... a race is scheduled on a day I can't be at the field. Could have been there last weekend but no, you guys got scared and postponed it, to avoid my awesomeness....
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on July 14, 2013, 10:19:42 AM
I was disappointed the race was postponed but I think it was done out of kindness to the other competitors. Its tough to wipe away the tears when the Kleenex is all wet!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on July 14, 2013, 09:05:22 PM
I trimmed out my Nooner using a progressive throttle/elevator mix at Bramalea. I'm already to now miss the competition because of a family vacation :(

Go get em Clubs!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on July 14, 2013, 09:38:56 PM
I was awarded the "Race Winner"  plaque today. I've made a spot for it as I plan on having it for the remainder of the season. I'm considering modifying the plaque already though as it has a perfectly good APC 4.75X4.75 on it.

Thanks Frank for taking the time to make these trophies so us winners can remind ourselves how great we are!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on July 15, 2013, 07:05:55 PM
Ed,

I wanted the trophies to be good APC's and I know it had your favorite prop on it (4.75 x 4.75).  To protect from pilfering the prop nut has 5 minute epoxy on the thread.  Admire it, don't use it.  Our mission is to get that trophy out of your hands soon.  You now have a bulls eye on your back.  Wear it proudly.  Soon you will be looking over your shoulders.  14 of us are aiming for you.

Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on August 09, 2013, 06:23:48 PM
So this is weird....

I just put a new motor in "Bobby's" Nooner that is supposedly the same kV as the motor in my Nooner, 2200kV. Now this new motor ain't a cheapo, it's probably the most expensive motor (at retail price) that I own.

So with the same 5.25x6.25 prop it was pulling 50% more current and power. Same kV! Go figure.

I may have to prop down on this one.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on August 09, 2013, 06:31:56 PM
just cut off one of the prop blades that should bring the amps down the required 50%.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on August 11, 2013, 09:47:26 PM
I epoxied it to the wall. You'll have to take it from me with a chisel.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on August 11, 2013, 10:29:03 PM
It's mine next time. Third place today and I'm just getting warmed up...

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on August 11, 2013, 10:35:32 PM
You go Mike!

And you've got the special upgrade planned!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on August 11, 2013, 10:45:19 PM
Here's my post race interview for MAAC magazine..

Talladega Nights - Piss Excellence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tna3B5zqHdk#ws)

Shake and Bake!

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on August 11, 2013, 11:37:26 PM
Quote from: thehaze on August 11, 2013, 10:45:19 PM
Here's my post race interview for MAAC magazine..

Talladega Nights - Piss Excellence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tna3B5zqHdk#ws)

Shake and Bake!

Praise babyjesus
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on August 26, 2013, 08:08:38 AM
Quote from: thehaze on August 11, 2013, 10:29:03 PM
It's mine next time. Third place today and I'm just getting warmed up...

You were warned...  ;D

I think I found a nice spot for the trophy as well.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on October 08, 2013, 10:52:40 PM
Got a new motor for my original Nooner.  Since a crash, the motor hasn't seemed to be up to its previous performance.

So I'm going from 2200kV and 5.25x6.25 prop to a 2500kV motor with 4.7x4.7 prop.  Specs say 120+mph pitch speed!

And this is just one of my plans for 2014 racing!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 02, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
Ironic that the last post in this thread was regarding me crashing my Nooner, and today I am posting about me crashing my Nooner!

Work has not allowed much time for building recently, but the time I have had has been spent repairing my Nooner.  I did think it was a write off - but now it has my heart and soul in it, and another new motor, and is ready for practice!

My plan is to use this one for practice, and save my other Nooner for racing.  Of course the Slipstream may trump both Nooners!  ;)

I had to re-join the wing, reinforce with carbon spars, repair the leading edge, add glass cloth, repair the wing tip, re-attach the aileron, fix & reinforce the fuse, re-mount the motor and then re-cover.  So basically build a new plane!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 05, 2016, 12:52:05 PM
I had a Nooner kit NIB and was keeping it for a new race season, but given we're likely to incorporate EF1s I've decided to use it to see just how fast a Nooner can go.

I'm planning on putting 400-450watts in it, so based on 3 seasons of race experience I'm going to make a few mods. Going to strengthen the fuselage in a few places, reduce the size of the horizontal stab, 1 piece elevator and chin cooling vent.

I will use a 40A ESC (so it won't be race legal) and a Neu 1105/2.5Y motor.

Here I am preparing the carbon for the fuselage.

Be prepared for the Champagne SuperNooner!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 05, 2016, 02:15:24 PM
This should be fun.. I'd beef up the horizontal stab a bit. I'm pretty sure that flex in mine was the cause of some, if not most of my issues with it's erratic pitch behaviour. Well that and the fuselage bending about 3/4 to the rear of the plane, creating a nice kink in the push rod.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 06, 2016, 12:07:53 AM
Quote from: thehaze on March 05, 2016, 02:15:24 PM
This should be fun.. I'd beef up the horizontal stab a bit. I'm pretty sure that flex in mine was the cause of some, if not most of my issues with it's erratic pitch behaviour. Well that and the fuselage bending about 3/4 to the rear of the plane, creating a nice kink in the push rod.

Nothing to do with the pilot.... right   ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: thehaze on March 06, 2016, 12:14:24 PM
What?!!? Are you trying impugn the reputation of the illustrious CFI?

I'm shocked, and offended at what you are suggesting. Much like everyone else at the club, my crashes of as I call them express landings can be attributed to:

80% - Random Spektrum issues
12%- Poorly designed models
6%- Pilot error (typically caused by the rigors of the CFI role)
2% - Andy Hoffer

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on March 06, 2016, 01:48:35 PM
Simon:
The speed of sound at sea level is 1225 km/hr (661 knots for Andy) or 761 mph for all American friends.  Consider a flying stab for the transonic speed range.  Yeager found that out for us.  No need to re-invent the wheel.  It is still round! ;D

Here are my best guesses:
- your plane will make a horrendous screaming noise, reminiscent of the way EdEdge's plane always screamed at him.
- you will be marginally faster (max. 5%?) in level flight.
- you will accelerate noticeably faster out of the turn
- crashes become more expensive.  Andy and I know the crop fields do not grow new Neu motors. :D

My first Nooner had a series 6 motor that drew 35 amps (388 watts), had a 40 amp ESC and was not noticeably faster than my race legal Nooner.

Oh, by the way, some race Nooners were drawing 22 plus amps (static) on a Castle 18.  Mine was propped to draw exactly 18 amps static which surprised a lot of people. 
My conclusion- 18-20 amps static on 3 S is the speed limit of the Nooner airframe. Just like a displacement boat which can never exceed a speed on the water of 1.4 times the square root of the waterline length...... no matter how much power you put in it.

My 2 cents worth... and I give change. :)
Frank



Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: piker on March 06, 2016, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: thehaze on March 06, 2016, 12:14:24 PM

80% - Random Spektrum issues
12%- Poorly designed models
6%- Pilot error (typically caused by the rigors of the CFI role)
2% - Andy Hoffer

Ah, yes.  Spektrum issues....

But I can't argue with the Hoffer effect on everything that seems odd in TEMAC  ;D

And hey Frank.  If my facts are correct... the American's stole the flying stab solution from the Brit's who were also very close the breaking the sound barrier with a very similar aircraft.  I saw a doc once (couldn't recall the name or where I saw it), that described the sharing agreement that the American's and Brit's had for their mutual benefit.  The American's went to visit England and learned about the flying stab solution, then when it came time for the Brit's to visit the Americans, it just wasn't convenient.  The American's then broke the sound barrier after they added the flying stab to the Bell X-1.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on March 06, 2016, 03:01:39 PM
Piker,

I checked and of course... you were right... as always.

from wikipedia:

The British wartime Miles M.52 supersonic project was designed with stabilators. Though the design only flew as a scale rocket, its all-flying tail was tested on the Miles "Gillette" Falcon.[5] The contemporary American supersonic project, the Bell X-1, adapted its variable incidence tailplane into an all-moving tailplane (based on the Miles M.52 project data) and was operated successfully in 1947.[6]


... and that is why Simon and EdEdge should employ it on their ballistic projects. :D

Frank
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 06, 2016, 03:08:59 PM
I'd just like to build a Nooner incorporating improvements based on everything we've learned from 3 seasons of racing. I think Frank is probably right - it won't be much faster than a "stock" Piker racer, but I hope it flies as well as a Nooner can.

And I'm sorry Frank, no! It won't have an all flying tail.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on May 03, 2016, 07:52:57 PM
I still have my original race legal Nooner in perfect flying condition. Guess not flying Specrap and moving away from Andy has attributed to its condition.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on May 03, 2016, 08:21:27 PM
Quote from: Ededge2002 on May 03, 2016, 07:52:57 PM
I still have my original race legal Nooner in perfect flying condition. Guess not flying Specrap and moving away from Andy has attributed to its condition.

You should bring it into town and I'll have a go at it.  Then it won't feel so conspicuous!!  ;D

Andy
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 06, 2018, 10:15:14 PM
After a long, long time, I'm back at this! And I'm excited about it again.

Tonight I spent some time adding some servos in the wings. I cut out the foam for the servo and added a second balsa layer next to the wing top skin, with epoxy. I'm using more powerful servos than I used in my race Nooner, this time they came from my crashed X plane.

Tomorrow I will glue the servos in and glass the center wing section. Then I'll cover it and add the ailerons.

Yeah! 350-400 watt Nooner here I come (at last!)
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on March 17, 2018, 05:51:44 PM
Quite a bit of progress this week. Wing is finished. Horizontal stab is on and I did it at a flat angle so hopefully it won't climb under power. Just got the elevator, fin and motor mount to do. Hopefully I'll finish it this week.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Ededge2002 on April 03, 2018, 11:17:51 PM
Looks good Simon.  I wonder just how much faster 400W will be over what I was running back in the day(I think around 200)  I really think the airframe will limit the overall top speed but this could prove to test that point.

Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on June 28, 2020, 04:37:57 PM
So I flew my Nooner again yesterday. Wow, I'd forgotten how good they fly! Sort of. My only remaining Nooner suffers from the issue  of requiring down trim to fly straight. Lots of it. And that always makes it "exciting" to launch.

Anyway, I had a radio signal loss (using an old Orange DSM2 Rx) and landed in the reeds by the stream. Undamaged but I decided to bring the plane home to swap the Rx.

Today I decided to cut out the old tail, build a new smaller one and set it straight in the fuse so that hopefully it will fly straight without trim. I surprised myself and got it all done today.

Hopefully maiden in Tuesday.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: bfeist on June 28, 2020, 08:17:29 PM
If I recall correctly, that tail angle was introduced during the old brushed motor 7-cell era. Nooners weren't design to be flown so fast!
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: sihinch on June 28, 2020, 08:19:00 PM
Shhhh. Don't tell my Nooner that, Ben!  ;D
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Polecat on June 28, 2020, 09:26:05 PM
Simon
I think your in for some need for speed, hope we can get a couple of E F 1 races in Sept/Oct.

Ken
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: VadimKirillov on June 29, 2020, 09:22:10 AM
How about Starting new group build for Nooner or morphene? I think I really need one of those to race.
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Frank v B on June 29, 2020, 06:40:49 PM
Just to put Ben's comment in perspective, the Nooner was built for a Speed 400 motor producing about 90 watts.  The Nooners we raced had about 200 watts going through them.

I have a second Nooner with about 300 watts and it does not go much faster than the 200 watt one.  My conclusion is that 200 watts is the "hull speed*" of the Nooner.

Frank

* hull speed of a displacement hull is the maximum speed a boat will ever go no matter how much more power you apply. (for Andy, 1.3 times the square root of the waterline length).
Title: Re: TEMAC Nooner racer build thread!!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on June 29, 2020, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: Frank v B on June 29, 2020, 06:40:49 PM
Just to put Ben's comment in perspective, the Nooner was built for a Speed 400 motor producing about 90 watts.  The Nooners we raced had about 200 watts going through them.

I have a second Nooner with about 300 watts and it does not go much faster than the 200 watt one.  My conclusion is that 200 watts is the "hull speed*" of the Nooner.

Frank

* hull speed of a displacement hull is the maximum speed a boat will ever go no matter how much more power you apply. (for Andy, 1.3 times the square root of the waterline length).

Hi @Frank v B ,

You meant 1.34 times the square root of the waterline length in feet, (HS = 1.34 x √LWL) right?!  8)

Andy