Just our team can see this. Greg Hazelton's idea. So this is a private area to discuss our team's racing endeavours.
Ben
So just the other team members or all racers?
Just Team Clubs can see this forum. There's a forum for each of the teams that's invisible to all non-team members.
Neat. We must have a good web developer guy !
One is the loneliest number....
A few of us got some hot laps in today with the Nooners . Racing was a little wild but everyone seemed to enjoy and be able to fly the circuit. Winds were quite high and from the east but the airframes handled great.
Glen flew well but was having battery issues as they were giving the low voltage signal.
Mike Hazelton flew VERY well and his model was quite fast with the black hobby king motor on 4.1x4.1 prop
Greg on the same motor seemed to be off the pace slightly and tried the 4.5x4.1. I think his batteries were dropping some voltage.
Simon was well in the hunt staying in the lead group and his flying is showing improvement with each practice race.
Michael did not join the racing but did fly his model a couple times and announced how happy he is with its smooth and stable characteristics.
My plane looked to be as fast as any of the fast movers. I was flying a consistently smaller circuit than the rest making it possible for me to lap the pack. As the others find the small circuit it will be very tight racing. Once we get some actual pylons and start working at it its going to be a lot of fun!
Sounds great (and stressful).
I finally finished up my Naked Nooner. It's on a 2700kv motor, 4.5x4.5 drawing 18.5A static. Lots of cooling, should be able to go 4.75x4.75 if necessary. Flying with older 2100mah batteries. They fit fine and weigh 140g.
Will maiden it once the wind dies down.
Finished mine today as well ... pics to come. :)
Colin
GREAT! This team is coming together! If any of you want to get out a night to practice a little let me know I'm in!
For throws I would start at + -5mm for ailerons and elevator with 2" cg
Quote from: bfeist on May 26, 2013, 03:16:52 PM
Sounds great (and stressful).
I finally finished up my Naked Nooner. It's on a 2700kv motor, 4.5x4.5 drawing 18.5A static. Lots of cooling, should be able to go 4.75x4.75 if necessary. Flying with older 2100mah batteries. They fit fine and weigh 140g.
Will maiden it once the wind dies down.
What's your AUW, Ben?
Colin
Here ya go! Fuse needs to be touched up but other than that she's ready to go.
Colin
That looks great too Colin! Wow we are going to have a good looking team..and our planes ain't bad either!
Thanks Ed! Team Clubs rule! ;D
AUW of the Naked Nooner is 517g. But I could put a 1300mah battery in it to reduce it quite a bit (but I'd have to find one and buy one). Using a 2100 20C right now.
Calculators predict 101mph. Oh and I won't be flying the 500meters off the flight line to get to the back 40!
Quote from: Ededge2002 on May 27, 2013, 08:45:10 PM
Calculators predict 101mph. Oh and I won't be flying the 500meters off the flight line to get to the back 40!
Yeah, I calculated 101 mph at static test rpm, but I thought props unload at speed in the air, increasing rpm about 20%, or is that only for gas engines?
By the time you add the slip of the prop and the drag of the airframe my guess is my plane is near 100mph but we could do a couple timed runs to figure it out.
Correction ... my weights are:
With 1300mah TP 45/90C packs: 16.60ozs
With 1800 Zippy 20c packs: 17.35ozs
Colin
Quote from: wollins on May 28, 2013, 09:14:48 AM
Quote from: bfeist on May 27, 2013, 06:13:08 PM
AUW of the Naked Nooner is 517g. But I could put a 1300mah battery in it to reduce it quite a bit (but I'd have to find one and buy one). Using a 2100 20C right now.
Thanks Ben ... my weights are:
With 1300mah TP 45/90C packs: 16.25ozs
With 1800 Zippy 20c packs: 16.90ozs
The plan is to use the TP packs for my "racing" packs and the Zippys for my "sport" packs. Pcalc
Numbers with my Mega 16/15/3 3000kv and a 4.5x4.5 prop are:
24.3A
30259rpm
128 pitch speed
36.8ozs thrust
270 watts
Might have to prop down some! ;D Will check "real" numbers later.
Colin
I smell ESC smoke !! :)
With 1300mah TP 45/90C packs: 24.89A for 280w with TGS Sport 4.5x4.5E Precision propeller
With 1800 Zippy 20c packs: 17.75A for 190w with TGS Sport 4.5x4.5E Precision propeller
So ... will have to prop down when racing since the TP packs are my "racing" packs. ;)
Colin
Quote from: wollins on June 01, 2013, 12:20:16 PM
With 1300mah TP 45/90C packs: 24.89A for 280w with TGS Sport 4.5x4.5E Precision propeller
With 1800 Zippy 20c packs: 17.75A for 190w with TGS Sport 4.5x4.5E Precision propeller
So ... will have to prop down when racing since the TP packs are my "racing" packs. ;)
Colin
That's quite a difference in output between the two packs with the same prop. Did you happens to note the voltage under load for each test.
Andy
Around 11.2V for both
Colin
Reading a few posts it seems I will be the only one racing this weekend. I understand obligations are in the way for Ben and Colin. I believe Andy is not completed his plane.
Yeah my daughter's b/day party is in the morning so Im hoping to get there for the warbirds portion of the day.
Colin
My son's baseball tournament is this weekend. If he is eliminated tomorrow I might be able to make it out Sunday. Is Sunday the race day? I can't remember.
Quote from: bfeist on June 07, 2013, 06:17:37 PM
My son's baseball tournament is this weekend. If he is eliminated tomorrow I might be able to make it out Sunday. Is Sunday the race day? I can't remember.
Sunday June 9 is race day.
http://temac.ca/smf/index.php/topic,4056.msg22197.html#msg22197 (http://temac.ca/smf/index.php/topic,4056.msg22197.html#msg22197)
Hi guys. I won't be back in town in time for the races today. Looks like great weather. Go get em Ed!
Quote from: wollins on May 28, 2013, 09:14:48 AM
Quote from: bfeist on May 27, 2013, 06:13:08 PM
AUW of the Naked Nooner is 517g. But I could put a 1300mah battery in it to reduce it quite a bit (but I'd have to find one and buy one). Using a 2100 20C right now.
Thanks Ben ... my weights are:
With 1300mah TP 45/90C packs: 16.25ozs
With 1800 Zippy 20c packs: 16.90ozs
The plan is to use the TP packs for my "racing" packs and the Zippys for my "sport" packs. Pcalc
Numbers with my Mega 16/15/3 3000kv and a 4.5x4.5 prop are:
24.3A
30259rpm
128 pitch speed
36.8ozs thrust
270 watts
Might have to prop down some! ;D Will check "real" numbers later.
Colin
I put a 1300mah battery in the Naked Nooner. It's 477g AUW now.
Great news your batteries arrived. Now we just have to pressure you into flying it lol. I think the next race is in two weeks!
I'll maiden it at Kingston. I think I read that you're not planning on going. I highly recommend it if you can get away.
Ben
I've heard good things of Kingston but I will be camping Friday till Wednesday. Have a good time at the event.
So are we going to have some team points this weekend? Even if you launch and fly the pylons at your own pace you will still earn the team valuable points towards the championship! As it stands were in last place lol. I know obligations will keep some away but the remainder of us have to do our best. We can't just sit back and let those other "cards" take the lead.
Well I intend to be there ... now if I can only get this damn plane in the air! I've tried to maiden twice now and both times ended up with some radio glitching problems. Yesterday I swapped out the receiver I was using so this evening (Thursday) I intend to finally get this maiden done.
Colin
Unfortunately I am on the scratch list for July 7, at least until late afternoon. "Obligation" would be putting it mildly in terms of describing the forthcoming family commitment. But I did maiden my plane, so the future holds promise, if not racing points.
Cheers!
Andy
Great to see you race today Andy! How did you feel about racing for the first time? I hope you enjoyed it as this is a great series to work on some useful flying skills. Colin also got out and flew his Nooner a few times. Looks like it was fast and he seemed happy with it.
Team clubs!
Quote from: Ededge2002 on July 20, 2013, 07:59:45 PM
Great to see you race today Andy! How did you feel about racing for the first time? I hope you enjoyed it as this is a great series to work on some useful flying skills. Colin also got out and flew his Nooner a few times. Looks like it was fast and he seemed happy with it.
Team clubs!
Hi Ed:
The racing was definitely fun. I consider it a huge personal success that I survived the mass launch and returned with my aircraft intact. That was my first race ever! The plane handles very well at approach and landing speeds. I still have to do some fine tuning of the aircraft and of course my flying skills to smooth things out at racing speed. Once I get that done, I will pick up the speed a bit.
Thanks so much for all of your encouragement, good counsel and great humour.
Cheers.
Andy
Well, I've been able to finally maiden my Nooner over the weekend so hopefully I'll be able to contribute some points to the team going forward!
Colin
Sunday's race day. I understand Andy can't make it. Anyone else coming out to challenge Simon for second?
I'll be there.
Way to go team 51 points! After letting Ben win the final we both earned 21 point and Colin added even more to the total pushing us into first place in the team championship!
The dream team!
I'll deploy my drogue next time so you can pass me.
Looks like we had equal points. The main idea is to dominate the final. Let's aim for all of us in the final next time.
I need props. I have but one spare. Please look under your desks, in the back of old drawers or under your pillow for a 4.5x4.1 prop or two.
Thanks!
OK boys we have to work together for final race of the season. Team hearts gained some big points today and to cement our "dream team" to the record books its going to take all we've got.
Colin I understand your plane is damaged beyond repair? Would it make at least a couple laps to get us some extra points? Andy your keeping it together out there and we need you buddy.
I'm going to do my best to get Ben into first place next race as he is just six points out if second overall. I'm even going to drop back if I'm in front of him!
Quote from: Ededge2002 on September 15, 2013, 10:44:51 PM
Colin I understand your plane is damaged beyond repair?
Repairable and will be ready for final race.
Colin
I am thrilled that I completed SIX whole laps in the first heat today, with no damage!!
And I definitely covered twice as much sky as anyone else on each lap. :)
Andy
Every point counts. What hurt us in this last race (other than me trimming for the whole the first race) was that they had two Clubs members and the top 3 point scorers in the same qualifying heat. We should ask Jack if he tries to spread the teams out in the heats (i'm not sure how he chooses the heats). Given that we only had 9 flyers, this was probably necessary. Also, I wasn't too worried in the first race because last time I came 3rd in the first race I went on to come 2nd overall and top point scorer overall because there was a consolation race (that I won). Maybe there weren't enough flyers yesterday for a consolation race this time around. I'm not sour at all, I had a lot of fun. I was all over the sky in the qualifier--I finished where I deserved to finish. Though, I would like to know how the races are organized in advance, but I'm unsure how to ask Jack without sounding like a whiny back-seat driver.
Repaired. Gonna wring her out tomorrow to see if she will hold up!
Colin
Quote from: wollins on September 21, 2013, 11:45:55 PM
Repaired. Gonna wring her out tomorrow to see if she will hold up!
Colin
Sweet. Did you ever get to the bottom of your batteries flattening? How many mah do you put back in to them when that happens?
Don't think its the batts, think its the esc. Still battling with it. Don't think ill be uber competitive, just want to give the team some points is all.
Colin
Colin
Mmmmm Pooooints.
Maybe you could try turning off the cutoff in the castle firmware. You're only flying 10 laps so no need for a cutoff anyway.
What size pack are you guys using ... you always seem to have lots of juice left at the end. The one time I was able to last for the entire race (with power) I won the heat. That's when I had a honkin 2200 pack in there. Now because of some reconfiguration of my innards I can't get such a pack to fit.
Colin
I'm using 1300's. Normal recharge is about 500mA. Can't understand why your using so much juice. Is it possible the motor is messed?
Anything is possible ... don't see how though cause the amp draw is normal. Something's going on that's for sure. BTW, the wing held up ok with my test flight yesterday but I have a SEVERE trim problem now. I launched her and she climbed so much that she could have done a loop! Took full down trim to get her to just fly level with me holding a bit of down elevator.
Brought her down and the elevator was level/neutral (with full down trim) so I guess when I re-glued back in my elevator servo I had a bit of up in it. Can't be adjusted without me busting it back outta there so ... In any event seems like the incidence of the wing is also off ... yet there was no change (that I can see) to he airfoil based on my repair. Reason I think that is like I said full down trim (so now elevator is neutral and even a bit down) and she still wants to climb if I let go the stick. Took a pic with my laser and it is off by about 3mm. However with it in this same AOA before the repair she flew fine. Maybe my repair did change the airfoil and thus the AOA some.
Anyways, this means I have to shim the TE and get back to the field to do some adjusting flights before Sat. (which is a PITA)
Colin
I suspect battery position has a drastic effect on elevator trim in nooners as well. When you're doing your testing make sure your battery is going in in the exact position you've determined.
Same as Ed, I put in about 550mAh into my 1300 back after a flight. Doesn't seem to matter which prop I use it's always around that value.
Ben
Hmmm ... didn't think of the battery shifting ... In any event, here's the wing now "shimmed" so we'll see how it does now. First pic is "before" and second after.
Colin
FINALLY I'm ready! Put four packs through this baby today and its on rails! Can't wait for Saturday now.
Colin
Meeting:
I'm having a pre race meeting to team members interested 1 hour prior to the races.
Topics are performance cheats and strategy.
Edward
Noon?
Yes Nooner racers at noon.
Great season team!
I enjoyed seeing everyone having fun on the final day. I feel my flying improved because of the season and hope others gleaned something from it.
Can't wait for the results!!! Did Ben stay in third? Did we keep the team points total?
Can't wait for the points posting. Should be interesting.
I totally agree that racing this season has made me a better pilot. I can even kind of get my sunracer around the pylons now.
Congrats on your win Ed. Well deserved.