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Title: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 23, 2022, 05:33:09 PM
I've built several Waterbombers over the years, and it's time for another one. This one will be a semi-scale model, all balsa (maybe some plywood), with a wingspan of about 48", and will be a simple 4-channel operation.

The first step was to produce a 3-view drawing, exactly ¼ the size of the model. This way, I measure the drawing, multiply by four, and cut balsa as needed. Basically, I'm making it up as I go along.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 23, 2022, 05:34:17 PM
Fuselage sides and some formers fabricated.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: octagon on January 23, 2022, 06:41:13 PM
Nice project.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 24, 2022, 05:49:33 PM
Stabilizer and elevator under construction: parts fabricated.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 25, 2022, 09:55:56 AM
Stabilizer/elevator assembled and glued, sheeted, shaped and sanded.

Next, I prepared a drawing of the fin/rudder.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: GuyOReilly on January 25, 2022, 10:22:04 AM
@Michael is the stab and elevator covered in 1/32 or 1/16 balsa?
Just curious.
Looks great.
Guy
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: bfeist on January 25, 2022, 02:00:03 PM
I saw the first post dated Jan 23 and that it was Michael, and fully expected to scroll down and see a completed airplane. Michael, you're slowing down in your old age.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: sihinch on January 25, 2022, 02:11:00 PM
He's also getting smaller, I think!  ;D
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 25, 2022, 04:08:49 PM
Quote from: GuyOReilly on January 25, 2022, 10:22:04 AM
@Michael is the stab and elevator covered in 1/32 or 1/16 balsa?
Just curious.
Looks great.
Guy

Very light 1/16th.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 25, 2022, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: bfeist on January 25, 2022, 02:00:03 PM
I saw the first post dated Jan 23 and that it was Michael, and fully expected to scroll down and see a completed airplane. Michael, you're slowing down in your old age.

I just finished another bigger model on January 14.

However, it is true, I'm working slower to spread out the fun.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 25, 2022, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: sihinch on January 25, 2022, 02:11:00 PM
He's also getting smaller, I think!  ;D

Smaller SUV.  ;D
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 25, 2022, 05:37:15 PM
Fin/rudder: pieces cut, assembled, glued, sheeted, shaped and sanded.

Very light but very strong.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 25, 2022, 08:13:38 PM
Tight and secure fit (not glued yet).

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 26, 2022, 05:32:01 PM
V-shaped bottom/hull: a support structure is constructed, sheeting applied, and sanded smooth.

Medium-hard 3/32" balsa sheeting at the front; 1/16" sheeting at the rear.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 27, 2022, 09:36:50 PM
Starting on the wing. This will be fully sheeted when finished; hopefully light but strong. I'm doing a lot of thinking as I progress, planning the construction and considering the layout of the wiring, nacelles, servos, ailerons, tip-floats, etc. I'm working slowly and carefully so all the parts fit precisely. The bottom sheeting, upon which I will build, is cut straight so pieces can be glued together. The edges of the balsa sheets are not always straight, even when purchased brand new. The square carbon fiber tube in the photos is extremely strong.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 28, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Wing under construction.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: GuyOReilly on January 28, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Love your work! 
Looking forward to seeing it fly, when the water becomes less solid...
Guy
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 28, 2022, 06:46:02 PM
I may maiden it off snow.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 28, 2022, 06:47:42 PM
Ailerons constructed. Also, webbing is installed (vertical grain balsa sheet in between the ribs, contacting the top and bottom wing spars).

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 29, 2022, 05:26:54 PM
Nacelles and motor mounts.

Not yet glued in place.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 30, 2022, 04:43:27 PM
Wing is fitted and attached to the fuselage. It's beginning to look like a Canadair Waterbomber.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: octagon on January 30, 2022, 05:45:50 PM
amazing work Michael
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 31, 2022, 06:50:39 PM
I'm taking a break from working on the wing, and moving to the front fuselage. Basically, I'm building a structure onto which I will apply balsa sheeting.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on January 31, 2022, 08:58:40 PM
A bit more work. Actually, that was a lot more work. I'm tired; that's enough for today.

It's looking more and more like the intended subject.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: GuyOReilly on January 31, 2022, 11:01:29 PM
Beautiful work!
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 01, 2022, 11:46:15 AM
The front fuselage framing is done.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 01, 2022, 09:11:46 PM
The fuselage is put aside, and I'm continuing work on the wing. Today: the tip floats.

I thought about building these up with a frame and outer balsa sheet, but decided instead on solid balsa, carved to shape.

I used different thickness sheets, glued together cross-grain, and then carefully carved and sanded to shape. These are firmly held onto the wing with magnets; they will release with lateral force, preventing damage. This is my solution to what is usually a weak spot on models with tip floats.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 02, 2022, 10:39:29 AM
Winglets constructed of 2 rib-shaped layers of tapered trailing edge balsa, and 2 layers of cross-grain-glued balsa sheet. These will be shaped and sanded once the top wing is sheeted.

I was concerned that these would be cumbersome (in storage and transportation), and was considering holding these onto the wing with magnets, but since the wingspan is only about 4 feet, I don't think they'll be a problem. I'll just glue them on once the covering is done.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 02, 2022, 05:37:27 PM
Aileron servos sit in carefully constructed pockets, in order to be removable for adjustments.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: octagon on February 02, 2022, 06:16:58 PM
Very impressive. I like the way you built the nose.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 02, 2022, 06:37:11 PM
Quote from: octagon on February 02, 2022, 06:16:58 PM
Very impressive. I like the way you built the nose.

Thanks, Rob.

Hopefully, it'll look good when it's sheeted.

Anyway, the wiring is done for the wings. I can start the top sheeting.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: GuyOReilly on February 02, 2022, 07:57:13 PM
Will both prop run in the same direction?

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 02, 2022, 08:16:20 PM
Quote from: GuyOReilly on February 02, 2022, 07:57:13 PM
Will both prop run in the same direction?

Counter-rotating.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: octagon on February 03, 2022, 09:12:39 AM
Hi Michael. For what it is worth, Rob Pike says counter rotating props should turn so that the left motor rotates CCW when viewed from the front and the right one CW when viewed from the front so that the props appear to turn into the fuse from top down. I forget why it should be that way, but I wrote it down when he told me.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2022, 01:10:33 PM
That's how I always do it.

Note however, Glenn's twins are usually not contra-rotating, and they fly great.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2022, 02:42:17 PM
I've decided to take an unorthodox approach to sheeting the top of the wing. I am planking it. This is my solution to the difficulties I have had in the past with accurately curving and evenly gluing down larger sheet pieces. With this method, I will simply sand the top smooth when finished. I am not worried about any loss of structural integrity that may be lost by not using single length sheets, since the carbon fiber spar and webbing have basically made this wing rigid and inflexible.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: GuyOReilly on February 03, 2022, 04:29:10 PM
That is one great way of using up the scrap pieces and leftovers from long pieces.  :D
Guy
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2022, 05:22:28 PM
Progress ...
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2022, 05:40:54 PM
I'm really pleased with this method of planking the wing. It's not as slow a process as I thought, it's not difficult, it's easier than applying larger sheet pieces, and, as long as I measure and cut carefully, the construction is accurate and fun.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2022, 09:08:03 PM
Wing sheeting is complete, wing top is sanded, ailerons hinged, angled-end-ribs shaped and sanded, and attached with winglets (temporarily).

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2022, 09:09:41 AM
More work on the fuselage.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: sihinch on February 04, 2022, 10:03:08 AM
This is looking super cool. Awesome work, Michael.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 05, 2022, 05:49:26 PM
More progress. Also using some planking instead of curved and twisted sheet.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: octagon on February 05, 2022, 06:06:10 PM
Really nice work Michael.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 06, 2022, 04:10:39 PM
The front is done, and now to start the battery compartment hatch.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 06, 2022, 07:52:13 PM
Top of front fuselage.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 06, 2022, 09:45:35 PM
Battery compartment hatch.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: msatin on February 06, 2022, 11:00:11 PM
Looks Fantastic Michael!
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 07, 2022, 06:25:45 PM
Finlets built and in place (not yet glued).

Next, I'll probably start on the servo placement and linkages for the elevator and rudder, before closing up the rear fuselage top.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: GuyOReilly on February 07, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
I am looking forward to seeing how you will do the water scoops and release mechanism!!   :D
Guy
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 08, 2022, 06:10:25 PM
Servos and linkages installed for rudder and elevator.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 08, 2022, 09:24:21 PM
All major construction is done. Total weight, with receiver, servos, wires, motors, props, spinners (3D-printed by David), electronic stabilizer, and 3-cell 2100mah battery, is 1150 grams, or about 2½ pounds. It still needs a battery tray and covering, so it'll be a few more ounces.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 09, 2022, 10:44:51 AM
The model is disassembled and ready for covering. The 3 photos are of wing parts, tail parts, and fuselage parts.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 10, 2022, 07:55:23 PM
Covering in progress.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 13, 2022, 08:02:56 PM
Covering and painting is done. There are still some decorations (stripes, fake landing gear, windows, etc.) to be applied before assembly.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 14, 2022, 09:03:18 PM
The striping is a mix of individually cut strips, strips from a roll, and individually cut curved sections, carefully lined up and applied. About 3 hours work, but I really like it!

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 15, 2022, 07:54:33 PM
Trim and decoration details are not exactly scale, but they are nice and effective.

Next I start the general assembly.
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 16, 2022, 03:19:10 PM
Finished!

Assembled, radio and stabilization system installed, linkages installed, power system installed, triple deflection and exponential rates set, and ready to fly.

Total weight with battery (balanced) is 1260 grams, or approx. 2 pounds and 12 ounces (44 ounces).

Now I'll wait for a nice, not-too-windy, day.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: sihinch on February 16, 2022, 03:22:45 PM
That's gorgeous. What a scratch build!  Well done again, Michael!  :)

S
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: msatin on February 16, 2022, 04:01:47 PM
WOW! Stunning Michael
Congratulations
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Post by: overnout on February 16, 2022, 08:07:44 PM
Looks great! Nice job Michael!
Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: Michael on February 25, 2022, 03:23:28 PM
Successful maiden on Thursday, Feb. 24.

I changed the 'windows' to a darker blue, because the light blue didn't show well.

The in-flight photos are by David.

Title: Re: Canadair Waterbomber 48" wingspan
Post by: ppalumbo on February 26, 2022, 01:39:34 PM
Red spinner looks much better Michael.  Congrats on the maiden!!