I just had to order one!
http://parkzone.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=PKZ6350 (http://parkzone.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=PKZ6350)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2018709 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2018709)
A day late and a dollar short. Actually quite a few dollars too much compared to the Freewing mosquito. The pearlstone models are Cartoon scale with everything like flaps and retracts at extra cost. It is also smaller, more in the park flyer class.
For me, there are a couple of points that make it a great offer......
- With it being PZ, you know it will be nice to fly.
- It looks roughly right, and with some weathering it will look even better.
- With the size, it's just right to get in the car without having to take it apart. So no fussing at the field.
- The 3S 2200mAh battery is such a common size it will not require any new or special lipos.
- You will be able to get spares very easily, should you need them! :o
Plus, I'm hoping that with those big 3.25" wheels, it will be great on our field (with or without Geotex.)
Simon's right.
Parkzone/E-Flite/Hangar 9 models are well manufactured, fly very well, and have excellent manufacturer's warranties and parts availability.
Quote from: dangaras on October 17, 2013, 08:49:06 PM
A day late and a dollar short.
So nice of you to encourage and support other member's decisions, Andre ;D
I think it looks like great fun, Simon. I'm tempted myself as I recently watched a documentary on the Mosquito showing what a fantastic aircraft it was. And based on the fun I've had this year with my Parkzone Spitfire, I can imagine the Mossy will be fantastic!
Robert
Thanks for your support! I am supporting a better product at a better price with the same availability of spares and ease of transport.
Don't be received by what you would like to believe!
Why aren't you using those good old AM transmitters from oh so long ago or maybe a DX5 with dsmx? You want a progressive mindset but look at a late to market, over-priced, feature reduced product and endorse it? :(
Its just my opinion based on first hand experience! Not interested in a debate, simply starting facts. It's got big wheels, what it might or might not do is irrelevant.
So a serious question, Andre, do you like the freewing version? I'd be interested to know if it has any weaknesses or design issues. It is a serious alternative to the PZ version...
Look up the freewing mosquito on the motionRC website. The freewing mozzie http://www.motionrc.com/freewing-de-havilland-mosquito-1400mm-55-wingspan-pnp/#specifications (http://www.motionrc.com/freewing-de-havilland-mosquito-1400mm-55-wingspan-pnp/#specifications)
Compare the specs. There is always debate from the scale Nazis that something is not exactly right, but the parkzone version is even less scale & by a lot more...
The oversized wheels don't add to the scale look but the entire retract setup on the freewing is light years ahead. Gear doors, dual sprung oleosto make h-gear, sturdy extracts, glazed or solid nose, great color & paint finish. I could go on but those who compare the two will make their own decisions.
The freewing PNP is $259 all it needs is a pair of servos for the flaps, battery &RX.
The parkzone is $289 basic, nothing actuaded so you have to add a significant $100+ to get it anywhere near the class of the freewing.
Now the PZ is simpler do if you want to pay more to get less and plan to keep it simple, then parkzone is for you. If you want the very scale , feature rich model then freewing is for you.
Enjoy.
I've heard there are problems with the retracts on the Freewing version, and people have to modify them. Are you aware of this?
Also, do you know the shaft size on the motors? I'm worried they would bend if you nose over, if they are only 3mm.
Thanks,
s
The retracts are just fine, everything bends even on my 30lb Tigercat. Try not to slam the model into the ground.
Don't know what size the motor shafts are but again no complaints about them bending.
For more details there is an extensive thread on rcgroups.com...
Hey Andre, don't get mad ;)
I'm just saying it can be very disheartening to be told that your new plane, that you come on the message board to share with your friends and that you're excited about, is a piece of crap. You may be right that the other option is better, but I think you could be a little nicer about the way you convey that information. ;)
Remember last week, at the Pilot's Meeting" when Jack and Simon were encouraging everyone, especially newer members, to participate more in the forum so we can be an even more social and knowledge sharing club? My concern when I read your initial comment, was that no new member is going to share what they've recently purchased, or what they're working on, if they feel their decision will be criticized.
Please continue to share information and knowledge, after all that is one of the things that makes TEMAC and this forum great, but may I suggest that we all do it in a constructive and encouraging manor? ;D
When people go off about a "scale" foam airplane all I can think of is that its a beer cooler. If it makes you happy and works what's to complain about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB7pyd6gESI&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB7pyd6gESI&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Good opinions, much like mine. I prefer to be a realist thanks. Not mad just the facts.
Going to hell in a hand basket together does not work for me and having seen the anguish on the face of the pilot who got his shiny new toy thinking it was the greatest until another pilot strolls by with the same model but of a much better scale and quality drives me to make sure peril know there are options.
Would you feel better if it were all wrapped in flowers and candy? I can make a less articulated statement and do a simple point by point comparison so the new guys can get a headstart on choosing a beer cooler or a scale model.. Whatever makes you happy right?
Quote from: dangaras on October 19, 2013, 08:07:25 AM
Whatever makes you happy right?
... and that's exactly the point, and the intent of TEMAC. :)
I have no doubt, based on your passionate posts, that your model is a better "scale" model, or perhaps even a better-value product, but that doesn't mean that another product is not better suited to another person.
This isn't a contest, and we certainly don't want everyone coming to the field with the same exact model. That would be no fun. ;D
The last thing we want to do is to start a 'show-off' competition; it's about whatever makes the individual member happy and satisfied within the hobby and within our club.
As far as the models being discussed here, I personally would choose a Horizon Hobby product (Parkzone in the this case), mostly because I make it a point to support and buy from local hobby shops (the other product is not offered locally). The local hobby shops support our club in many ways; they deserve our patronage. That's my preference, and while I encourage others to do the same, I have no problem with others ordering from elsewhere, be it because it's cheaper, different, faster or even 'more scale'.
The fact is, TEMAC was established to be an all-inclusive club for all kinds of electric flyers, to fly all kinds of electric models.
Now on a personal note regarding scale models, the truth is that few of our models are accurate scale renditions, but what most of us do, that is really not 'scale', is that we fly too fast. I've been making an effort the last few years to fly my 'scale' models in a more scale manner; shallow takeoffs, smooth level flight, not too extreme banks in turns, avoiding abrupt controlling, an smooth landings.
Nothing looks nicer than a scale plane flying overhead at what is perceived as a scale flight speed.
Whatever makes you happy right?
Quote from: dangaras on October 19, 2013, 08:07:25 AM
Would you feel better if it were all wrapped in flowers and candy?
Yes! As silly as that sounds, that is exactly what I'm suggesting... for the sake of the newer modelers who are looking for guidance and encouragement, but may be unsure of their choices at this point.
Thanks!
Robert
I'm still buying the PZ one!!!
In the air, they all look the same to me.
Now if you can land the model (with those big wheels) without nosing-over, I'll be impressed !!! ;D
Challenge accepted, Mr. Rogo!
So fly the beer cooler and be happy!
Quote from: dangaras on October 19, 2013, 12:12:49 PM
So fly the beer cooler and be happy!
Actually, all of our foam models are "beer coolers" to some degree. ;D
Have you ever built a scale model from balsa? Kit or scratch-built?
I would love to see more balsa models at the field, actually built by our members. Some of the detail on these home-built works of art are really impressive!
To be inclusive, why yes I have. Also stick and tissue, fiberglass and cloth covered scratch models.
What about you? I have seen the nice models some of us fly. How many are scratch built by the owner?
To be even more specific I have built balsa-foam-fiberglass-CF models with secondary droppable flying models where I worked with a second pilot who would fly the dropped model.
Great!
Since you ask, yes, I enjoy everything from "out of the box - ready to fly", right up to unique, scratch-built models.
While I love flying my latest 'Bind-N-Fly' micro Habu, I also enjoyed flying this season my electric-conversion kit-built Top-Flight Elder, and my micro scratch-built Macchi float plane racer, both of which won coveted awards at the 2013 Kingston funfly.
In fact, you'll find that TEMAC has several accomplished builders and award-winning flyers, but when we're at the field, humbleness is the norm, as we're all impressed when anyone does a nice and smooth landing, with any model airplane, even a "beer-cooler".
BTW, TEMAC is offering balsa-kit building courses to encourage more.
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Also, TEMAC has included in its membership MAAC hall-of-famers, members who have had their models on the front covers of MAAC magazine, who have had their models in US model magazines, and who have competed in international competition, yet is is often the new members who are the most enthusiastic and inspiring at the field; the smile on the faces of these new members, and their sense of pride and satisfaction after successfully flying their "beer coolers", are what TEMAC is all about.
That brings to mind an idea, how about a scratch build beer cooler fly-in? With an endurance component, fixed weight, cooler size, max battery, wing area & motor power size. The cooler must be used for the model construction, cutting only no sanding with all of the cooler attached no matter how many pieces left over, foam glue and nothing else. Maybe 1 piece of Velcro to hold a 3 cell, 2200, 25C pack, ailerons, rudder & elevators.
I've never built anything complicated so I don't know how I would do. Besides without the cooler I would have warm beer!
To any that took insult to my referring to foam planes as beer coolers please accept my apologies it was all in fun and I have several myself.
Quote from: dangaras on October 19, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
That brings to mind an idea, how about a scratch build beer cooler fly-in? With an endurance component, fixed weight, cooler size, max battery, wing area & motor power size. The cooler must be used for the model construction, cutting only no sanding with all of the cooler attached no matter how many pieces left over, foam glue and nothing else. Maybe 1 piece of Velcro to hold a 3 cell, 2200, 25C pack, ailerons, rudder & elevators.
i would love to see some beer cooler flyers at the field this spring :)
Some times speaking in good humour gets lost in how we say things.
I hope all the comments above are made with friendly good humour in mind.
If not I will be personally very disappointed as this forum was always intended
to be used to help our fellow members not to cause dissension or criticism.
For you younger members you have lots of time to enjoy this hobby, for me not so much.
I don't want to see rancour here again so make up and act like the gentlemen you are.
Jack.
Quote from: piker on October 19, 2013, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: Papa on October 19, 2013, 07:29:56 PM
"rancour"
Jack.
Dang! I had to look THAT one up!
What type of model is that? Did it serve in a world war? Does anyone know where we can get plans to build one? Maybe we should call the beer colder model that? Funny how a model can be coincidentally named..
Actually, it's ironic that you guys bring this up.
The little-known DeHavilland Rancour was actually a prototype for the Mosquito, with special armament and really big wheels.
Now I need a foam Rancour! I do hope PZ will come out with one!
Yes I want one just because of that big a$$ machine gun! I think the company that contracted that was Rogo International.
Quote from: sihinch on October 20, 2013, 02:23:10 PM
Now I need a foam Rancour! I do hope PZ will come out with one!
No, no, no .... !
Get the E-Flite Rancour; it has much better panel lines.
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(I really apologize. I know that was not nice. I couldn't help myself. Now Jack is going to call me and give me a stern talking to.)
The panel lines may be better on E Flite Michael but at what cost? What cost, I ask you??
Now you have gone and spoiled it and in honour of Robert Pike I'm going with DeHaviland's carrier version of the Rancour. They called it the DeHavilland Acrimony. It was finished clinker style in Honduran mahogany with all brass fittings. The wheels doubled as life rafts and could be jettisoned in case of ditching.
Jack.
I think that I am going to get one also... But the ME110 came out at HK last week. That is also on the list of "to haves"...
Quote from: sihinch on October 20, 2013, 04:46:53 PM
The panel lines may be better on E Flite Michael but at what cost? What cost, I ask you??
The Freewing Acrimony would come with panel lines, rivets, retracts, gold leaf trim and it would only cry if it crashed into a PZ version.
Very true Andre but remember the Acrimony has to be decorated with shamrocks in honour if it's designer.
Jack.
OK, gotta contact Callie for some graphics.....
Rumor has it that this will be HK's next offering...
(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesr/din9.jpg)
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HUMBLEY-PUDGE GALLIPOLI HEAVYISH BOMBER
Lewis gun blazing, flour bags cascading down, the pachydermic Gallipoli terrorized practice target ranges across the empire from 1933 to 1939. Four Varley "Panjandrum" motors screwed her up to a cruising altitude several feet over the legal minimum of the day. Relatively few were built, but more than enough Gallipolis were delivered to the R.A.F., which handed them over to the Royal Indian Air Force, which handed them over to the Royal Malayan Air Force, which promptly found itself plagued by wholesale desertions of its flying personnel. The Gallipoli's moment of glory came and, lightning like, vanished during the surprise Japanese invasion of Singapore in early 1942. Hordes of troops swarmed toward the R.A.F. aerodrome; out went the call, "Warm up the Gallipolis!" And, indeed, 36 of the breed might have risen to meet the foe had not their special boarding ladders turned up missing. The sobriquet Sitting Duck has clung to the Gallipoli ever since an unjust cut in view of this perfectly harmless old war horse's clearly worthwhile intentions. The last survivor serves today as a chicken house- albeit an impressive one- for the Maharani of Gunjipor. It crash-landed on her lawn in 1944, but the R.A.F., despite numerous reminders, simply keeps forgetting to come round and pick it up.
That is not the ugliest British aircraft, not by a long shot.
They may have designed some of the best looking aircraft (Spit, Mosquito,Tempest, Seafury) but also many of the worst looking.
As proof I give you the Fairey Gannet, looks like a direct descendant of the Gallipoli (fanciful or not :))
That Gannet looks ideal for F3P Pat! its got funny looking things on the tail a contra prop assembly and a nice big fat fuse! Its PERFECT...
;D
Funny you should mention that. It reminded me that when I was over in Germany for the F3P we stopped in Spyers at the technical museum.
There in all its glory on display was a Gannet. Looked even odder in person, big lump of a thing, far too inelegant to fly.
Here is the picture Xavier took that rainy day back in February