#1-2013 TRN
The Nooner is a remarkable airplane. It is fast, not twitchy at all and grooves around the turn. I have flown one for 10 years and just completed a second one which I bought at the London Swap meet. I have a 250 watt inrunner (Eflite series 6 2700 kv) in mine using a 5x5 APC prop on 3 cells 1600's and two HS 55 servos. Unlimited vertical.
Make sure you wrap fibreglass around the centre section of the wing. I used 5 minute epoxy. It was originally designed for a 100 watt power system. The wings are balsa covered white foam. There is no spar of any kind.
On the one I just completed I added a carbon veil strip about 3/4" wide out about 3/4 span on the bottom of the wing. Then added a 3/4 ounce cloth strip about 2/3 span on the top of the wing and a 3" wide wrap around the centre section.
My first one just had a 3" wide wrap of 3/4 ounce cloth all the way around the centre section and it has held up fine.
Will bring them to the next pilot's meeting.
Frank van Beurden
This looks great. If anyone will be ordering an airframe let me know as I plan on ordering in the next couple weeks.
Will possibly do a build thread if there is any interest.
Is there a date set for team selections? Possibly it should be a requirement to have at least a recept of ordering to enter the process. There were a LOT that chose numbers in the other serried that never attended a single race.
I spoke (on email) with the supplier and he said there may be a group discount available.
I suggest we organize amongst ourselves how many people are interested in ordering and then contact them again.
Thoughts?
I'm so excited about this racing. Hope you are too
Game on!
Sign me up for a ready to cover kit
Just put your name down in this thread and we will organize a group buy.
There are two versions an Almost Ready to Fly and Almost Ready to Cover.
The ARF is listed at $115.00 US and the ARC at $89.00 US.
Regarding choosing Teams, I think we will wait until we see the level of
interest. Probably have a meeting at 3 Monkeys for all serious racers.
Jack.
I think this will be a great racing series (not sure about the name though :))
Simon, Jack, and consultants have put together a great plan that I think covers all bases and will fix up some of the flaws with the Formosa racing series... such as:
I very much liked the concepts of using the Formosa as a simple, good looking, racing plane, but I've always felt that the airframe was not up to the task given the open rules for power systems. I said, right at the beginning, that having a power limit NOT defined would allow the competitors to push the rules as far as they (we) could producing too much variation at first, which would then result in pushing the airframe too much or discouraging the casual participants. A race series needs well defined rules to help the casual racers to be competitive right off the start. I believe the guys have solved that.
The later variation (EPS vs. EPO) in the "Stock" Formosa airframe then lead to another problem that wasn't managed. It's actually better the have a none stock airframe (eventually perhaps) controlled with simple but effective rules that level the playing field, then to have a "stock" airframe with variation beyond the racers control.
The formosa was very flexible and, in my opinion, didn't track well enough to be a reliable and safe racer at the speeds we were flying. With a well designed racing airframe, the racing actually becomes easier and safer because the plane tracks well and can be trusted when flying around the course. The racing become more professional looking too.
The lack of a pylon location reference for the pilots also made for sloppy racing. I was always against having the pilots standing at mid point of the course (Formosa racing) with no reference for the pilots (like flagmen, etc.) This also made for complicated judging of the turn cuts and uncertainty of the race results. I think the guys are working on a good system for this.
Having the racing series remain at a local club level will also encourage participation and make the series fair for everyone (not everyone travels to all the fun flies around southern Ontario to participate in Formosa racing),
I think this racing series will work better as an entry level to EF1 racing for people interested in that series, but feel they need a little more practice under their belt.
The Nooner airframe be a fantastic little plane that will be a joy to race and own for sport flying. I'm sure you guys can handle it :)
Count me in for a group buy Nooner! I'm interested in a ready to cover
Robert
Thank you Rob. ARC noted.
Name is perfect, makes us sound legitimate!
Jack.
I too will be going with an ARC version. Can't wait to get started on this! I have been waiting for the official announcement.
I'm also very excited about the team selections its going to add a bunch of laughs to the events with the suspected participants! I already feel bad for whoever is saddled with me as a teammate LOL..
That's the fun element. We want to emphasize the fun nature of the series.
We want to encourage all to participate.
Speed will not necessarily win all the time.
Consistency and precision will ensure success.
Jack.
Oh, if it's consistency and precision, I'm fine, because I suck at flying fast! ;D
For example, last year, I managed to crash 3 times in the same place, due to the same dumb-thumbs over-correction. That's consistency! ;)
S
I'm in for one "ready to cover". Can't miss out on this fun! ;)
Colin
I'd like to join in but have a problem. I'm gone for most of the summer so am not around much when the racing is in full swing. Is it possible to be assigned to a team without becoming a liability to them because I can't show up regularly?
If yes, put me down for a "ready to cover". This sounds great!
Eric
Hey... great idea....
I would like to join too....
Noted, Fabiano. Do you want to participate in a group buy.
Almost Ready to Cover (ARC) or Almost Ready to Fly (ARF)?
Jack.
I like racing... Sign me up for a ARF version.
Will do Mike.
Eric, all are welcome that's the beauty of the team concept.
What I'll do is when it comes time to cut for teams members like you
who cannot attend all the time will be seeded evenly among the teams.
Jack.
OK, I'm in too!
Put me down for an ARC.
Hi Jack,
Whatever the group decide (ARF or ARC) to buy... it's fine for me...
Fabiano
I will join to and will prefer the ARF or better the RF! As don't think I will have much time to build.
Are the ARC guys planning any mods.... - should I re-think my preference.
What about Motor, Battery and servos what type... spec options etc. are these part of a separate group purchase.
Anyhow I am in even though I have no clue what I am getting into.
Bobby
Bobby,
I requested an ARC simply for the opportunity to apply my own colour scheme, but also to consider reinforcing the center section as Frank suggests (although I doubt it'll be necessary with the racing rule power system).
So, um..... any mention of power system rules? Did I miss somethink? Jack????
Robert
I asked Jack the same question about Power Systems yesterday, and he kindly and compassionately informed me to read the rules in the first section of this post! Oops!
Essentially, 3S and an 18A Castle esc. Any motor, any prop. I think that's right.
S
I think you can use any motor but an 18-amp CC speed control is required.
Yes the spec speed controller is the only power system rule. Should leave room to tinker but still keep it relatively equal.
I swear those rules wern't there when I looked before ;)
Although they're called "Picker", as in "Nose Picker"
Cool.
I am trying to finalise the group buy, from Icare. They are also able to offer the ESC (Castle Creations 18A Thunderbird) for $33.
Who would like an ESC - please respond below.
Me
I'm interested too. I've always wanted a Nooner.
Ben
Hey Ben! You know we're talkin' about a plane here, eh?
I remember when Scott Black was designing the plane and he told me what the name was going to be. He was concerned that it may be to risqué, but that was his point :-[
Hey Ben, would you like an ARF or ARC?
And would you like a speed controller?
S
I'll have to check to see if I have an 18A already.
Hi Simon,
Could you please put me down for a CC 18 as well. I already have the plane.
Cheers
Glenn
Ok, please put me down for the ARC version. I want to custom paint mine... With the display at the Pilots meeting, i'm in! :D
Can we pick our own numbers? I wanted "77"
Reminder - I need to know who wants an ESC also.
Ok, please order me an ESC or I will cheat and put a HK 100 AMP ESC in it... ha ha!
Hey !!!
I want the ESC as well....
Also I decided for the ARC kit....
Fabiano
Oh I can't wait.. this looks good!
I'm going to order tomorrow - any last takers for the esc????
I'm in for two my friend wants 1. I would like an ARC and he would like an arf
Put me down for a CC 18 amp ESC (to go with the ARC I requested).
Hi Simon:
Just confirming that I had requested an ESC and an ARC through Jack.
Tx
Andy
Everyone that ordered in the group buy - great news, we were kindly given a 10% discount by Icare-RC. Of course, we will need to share the shipping costs.
I ordered all our kits and ESCs (after I had received the quote) on Feb 6th and they should be ready to dispatch this week, I am told.
As a teaser, here are some photos of my kit, that I ordered over the Holidays. :)
S
Can't wait to get started on this project. I plan on doing a build thread as soon as I can. These are to going to be hot little racers! Please do us all a favour and give Glenn and Robert the heaviest ones. To my prospective teammates I plan on wearing the same socks all season for good luck!
Thanks Simon for stepping up and getting this group buy and quite possibly the series off the ground!
For those of you that can't wait to receive your new racer.......here is the tracking link!
http://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/track/personal/findByTrackNumber?trackingNumber=7012010677497847&LOCALE=en (http://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/track/personal/findByTrackNumber?trackingNumber=7012010677497847&LOCALE=en)
Is it like Santa coming?
Better because what is coming is for ME!
woo hoo 2-21 ;D
Does this offer include delivery by Simon to each of our houses? Can't waste any time. Gotta start practicing!
I'm actually out of town from Friday until Sunday, and then from Monday until the following Friday.
So I may have to drop them off somewhere on Sunday - any volunteers?
S
Nooners are at my house now (and ESCs) for anyone with the inclination or desire to pick them up tonight?!
Yonge & St Clair. I'm in all evening. 416 624 9984
If not, I plan to take them to TEMAC on Sunday p.m. for any willing ice pilots to collect, and then pass them to another Board member, who is more centrally located, for your pick up. Either Greg C or Greg H in Stoufville, or Andy H near Bayview & Finch.
I left the bill at work, but if memory serves the ARC was about $90, the ARF about $105 and the ESC about $29. These were taxes and delivery in.
I will send out accurate costs tomorrow. Don't shout at me if they are +/- a few dollars.
Here we go! ;D
Nice! More building.
Prices (with shipping and taxes) rounded up or down to nearest 25c (convenience charge!)
ARC $86.50
ARF $96.00
ESC $31.25
Got my Nooner today!
Oh yeah, and Simon delivered my pylon racer too!
Yes I and several others received there airframes as well. Not all of us were lucky enough to get nooners... Thanks Simon for your contribution and saving us all quite a few bucks! Anyone else getting excited about the team selections??
Team Nooners?
I'm excited Ed!
Yep! Got my Nooner from Michael yesterday. It's a lot smaller than I thought! But the quality is better than I expected. It should be fun working with it. I'm sure it'll look bigger when I'm done.
But I have to finish working with my big one before I can get going on the little one.
Quote from: piker on February 26, 2013, 09:38:37 AM
Yep! Got my Nooner from Michael yesterday. It's a lot smaller than I thought! But the quality is better than I expected. It should be fun working with it. I'm sure it'll look bigger when I'm done.
But I have to finish working with my big one before I can get going on the little one.
No one wants to hear about you and Michael having a Nooner! Never mind all the information on its size and it changing. ICK!
Per rule #4 in the guidelines I would like to request that my card/number be. ....
Ace of hearts!!
LOL!
" 4. Race numbers will be a card from a deck of cards, no 10's or Jokers"
I would also suggest that at least having the required airframe be REQUIRED prior to number selection. This will eliminate the flood of numbers as was previously seen... fake popularity we don't need.
Since I have my wing halves joined I think I qualify for a number assignment
Ace of Spades for Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This song will be playing as I walk up to the pilot station for the race....
Motörhead - Ace Of Spades (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iwC2QljLn4#)
Meanwhile, here's my brother's.......
Lesley Gore - Sunshine, Lollipops And Rainbows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQmBXEZEYtg#)
Oh brotherly love LOL!
On re reading the rule there is a possability that the no 10's is talking Jack Queen king??
Jack can you confirm this for us??
I want this played when I walk out......starting from 3.43
http://youtu.be/O6P2_i0Y6ms (http://youtu.be/O6P2_i0Y6ms)
Memories of Murray Walker and F1
When TEMAC gets a video wall i would like this one please
Boys boys boys - Sabrina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiuHdUkuRi0#)
Since I'm so much younger than all you guys, and obviously more hip, my theme song is something a little more current, and pure awesome:
(but I do like Greg H's theme song. It makes me happy...)
Muse - Survival (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66molzUEkWI#ws)
You kids and your rock and roll music.
Hi Ed and all Nooners. I did not answer your questions because revised rules were being posted. Unfortunately there was glitch on the site but now they are available. We will not be using numbers as any number will be so small as to be illegible. So we will use the coloured patch method to identify each model in a heat or race. As for race numbers once your team has been designated you can then, democratically, work out with your team members as to your personal preferences.
I think I will soon book a Sunday at the 3 Monkeys and have a "NOONER afternoon" to cover any loose ends.
Jack.
Where are the latest revisions posted? As for the patch method it sounds great. Is there a size and location the patch will be positioned? Would be good to know so that the space can be left vacant in the covering scheme. Sorry if I'm a pain in the ass...
Since my Nonner is built and the colour scheme is done, can I be the white patch?
Would the conventional method not work?
http://www.milehirc.com/Q500/Quickie500_25.jpg (http://www.milehirc.com/Q500/Quickie500_25.jpg)
I need some help with the Nooner group buy, please.
We ordered 2 ARF models, which was not eough to meet our demand. Mike H wanted one, Ed wanted one and Bobby wanted one.
I received 2 as part of the group buy, and we have added another which is being sent today.
My problem is, who was given the ARF kits from the group buy? I know Mike H had one, and paid. I thought the new one that is coming now was for Ed (because he donated his ARF to Mike.)
Who received the other ARF model - please help me? ???
I already have my ARC and an ARF that I picked up for my friend. The ARC is paid for and the ARF is not.
Oh and I still have your plane but Greg H asked me not to give it back because he wants to fly it some more.
If Greg manage to fly it with the DX5 then he deserves the plane!
Thanks for clearing up the mix-up, Ed!