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Toronto Electric Model Aviation Club (TEMAC) => Building / Construction => Topic started by: Michael on December 30, 2012, 09:01:06 AM

Title: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on December 30, 2012, 09:01:06 AM
I'm assembling a 52" wingspan A 10 Bronco ARF.

So far, the most time consuming and challenging aspect is the wiring.

The wing has wiring from each nacelle to the fuselage for rudder, aileron, throttle, retracts and motor power, and one side with elevator wiring.

Thank goodness there are no flaps!

Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Ededge2002 on December 30, 2012, 09:30:53 AM
Michael that looks like a nightmare to plug in at the field.  Have you considered going to this type of connector?

http://www.f1hobbies.com/images/Image/multiplexconn.jpg (http://www.f1hobbies.com/images/Image/multiplexconn.jpg)

It would eliminate a lot of possible errors!   
cant wait to see it all together
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on December 30, 2012, 10:33:52 AM
It's actually not so difficult to assemble; I've labeled all the wires.

However, it will come to the field assembled.  ;D
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Ededge2002 on December 30, 2012, 11:09:29 AM
Imagine all the crazed mixes you could do!  Dual rudders,dual motors and dual ailerons !  Its a radio tweakers dream lol
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on January 02, 2013, 07:42:18 PM
Getting there.

Landing gear alone took about 15 hours of work.

A few more hours (a week or two?) of work.

Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Bobmic on January 02, 2013, 07:56:46 PM
Hi Michael,
Looks realy nice, how long are the Battery wires?
I understand that the battery is in the fuse and as far as I know Long wires from Battery to ESC are not recommended by the ESC manufacturers.
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on January 02, 2013, 08:02:05 PM
Maybe 24" from ESC to battery.

I think it'll be OK.
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: gordonbw on January 02, 2013, 08:14:11 PM
Ooh, another shiny object! I'm getting distracted again!

(Seriously ... Is this the Nitroplanes ARF, Michael?)
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on January 02, 2013, 08:20:03 PM
Hobby Hangar Scaletech

http://www.hobbyhangar.com/newhh2_002.htm (http://www.hobbyhangar.com/newhh2_002.htm)
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: battlestu on January 02, 2013, 08:27:25 PM
hmm they got some nice looking kits....so many kits

BTW you plane is looking great
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Bobmic on January 02, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
The recommendation is to use additional capacitors when extending byond 6-8" as it can damage the ESC.
I never did any experiments with that so I can say it from my own experience but you can check this issue in other forums, I know you like Eflite, maybe give the, a call and ask what is their recommendation.

http://www.castlecreations.com/products/cc-cap-pack.html (http://www.castlecreations.com/products/cc-cap-pack.html)
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on January 04, 2013, 10:12:52 AM
I tested the motors with smaller diameter than recommended propellers.

With 4 cells, a 10-6 is recommended, but because of the low height scale placement of the motors, smaller props were required for reasonable ground clearance.

I used APC 9x7.5 E props, and measured an amp draw from the battery pack of 65 amps before reaching full throttle, for an estimated total wattage (2 motors) of more than 900 watts. This will be more than adequate for a 6 pound model.

Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: piker on January 04, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
What the hell are you gonna do with all that power?

Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Gregor77 on January 04, 2013, 11:52:22 AM
That is a good looking plane!

Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: battlestu on January 04, 2013, 11:52:36 AM
...take off in shot :)
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on January 06, 2013, 10:27:28 AM
Shiny pilots repainted will dull/flat paint.

All done; waiting for spring weather.

That's it for ARF's.

Soon, some scratch-building.  ;D
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: battlestu on January 06, 2013, 10:34:53 AM
Looking good  ;D
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: piker on January 07, 2013, 09:30:08 AM
Very nice, Michael.

You're got me interested with that "scratch building" comment.  Any hints, or is it a big secret?
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on January 07, 2013, 09:50:53 AM
I'm in the mood to build something in the micro to parkflyer size, but definitely for outdoor flying.

Either a depron-foam scratch build, or instead, maybe a warbird wood kit for rubber power converted to electric RC.

Anyway, when and if, it'll be another thread.

Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Skyking on January 08, 2013, 09:35:37 AM
The bronco is really nice. I've always wanted one.... I'll give you $25 for it.

Ken
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: piker on January 08, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Sounds cool, Michael.  I'm looking forward to getting back to my Macchi M5 build that I started a while ago.  I don't know when I'll fit it in, but the idea of a sweat, little, scale job is appealing.

I look forward to your build thread.
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Gregor77 on January 08, 2013, 10:59:47 AM
Why don't you build a depron Eindecker?  That would be easy and fun with all of us 1/6 - 1/4 planes that we are all building right now.

:P
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on May 04, 2013, 06:52:22 PM
Maiden flight today; Successful!

Very windy with cross winds, but take off was perfect, gear retracted, plane flew smoothly, did a few rolls, rolls to the right were surprisingly good, gear came down, and landed, a bit fast due to the cross wind, but landed nicely.

Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Michael on June 05, 2013, 09:48:33 PM
So, ... I had about a month's worth of great flights, and today I smashed right into a telephone pole and the plane burst into sawdust.

My landing approach was too wide, and I hit the telephone pole.
My fault; my error.

Please note, I was flying with a spotter, and we were both surprised; we both thought the plane was nowhere close to the telephone pole.

I'll be mush more cautious and careful next time.

The model is way beyond repair.

Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: wollins on June 05, 2013, 10:15:10 PM
Sorry for your loss Michael, it was a nice plane.

Colin
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: thehaze on June 05, 2013, 10:57:54 PM
Sorry, that was a tough one to see.

Personally, I blame Ontario Hydro for locating the wires so close to a rc flying field. Perhaps Andy can remedy that situation.
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Wingnutz on June 06, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Another lump in throat time last night. I watched the take-off and most of the flight...impressive. Sorry.
Let's hope bad things don'thappen in threes...
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Andy Hoffer on June 06, 2013, 01:27:48 PM
Quote from: Wingnutz on June 06, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Another lump in throat time last night. I watched the take-off and most of the flight...impressive. Sorry.
Let's hope bad things don'thappen in threes...

We should be good now (at least for a couple of days).  Jeff's Rifle, Simon's Hawker Hunter and Michael's Bronco have cleared the air for us.   :'(
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Papa on June 06, 2013, 02:49:16 PM
Actually bad things do happen in trees, just ask Simon???

Jack.
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: sihinch on June 06, 2013, 03:20:00 PM
Have you heard the joke about the two Irish men?

Two unemployed Irish men walking down the road and they see a painted sign. 

Paddy reads the sign and says "ah shucks, will ya look at that?"
Mick says "What?"
Paddy replies "it's a pity theres not another one of us, look! Tree fellas wanted!"

;D
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: sihinch on June 06, 2013, 03:23:25 PM
I'm sorry about your model, Michael.  Rumour has it that I also hit that pole with an F-35 last year!  >:(
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Papa on June 06, 2013, 11:28:13 PM
OK that's it.
On behalf of the Board I am applying to the Region to put an adjustment in the road and move it 200yds north between McCowan and Kennedy.
Since you guys can't avoid the road I'll have the road avoid you.
Simple solutions are always the best EH!
LOL

Jack.
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: Ededge2002 on June 07, 2013, 06:57:54 AM
I understand its only $25,000 to drop the power lines per section required. .  .

Sorry Michael I hope at least you had some enjoyment with the bronco
Title: Re: A 10 Bronco
Post by: sihinch on June 07, 2013, 08:22:33 AM
My attitude with my Hunter was that, I probably had 100-150hrs in it but really enjoyed building it.  And I lost about $250 when it crashed (kit & lipo).  A meal out for 2 is perhaps $60-80 and lasts 90mins to 2 hrs.  So for $250 I could have had 3 or 4 meals out, totalling 6 hours.  I think my Hunter was worth it!  :)