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Title: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Papa on September 16, 2015, 10:56:22 AM
We would like to see you do your own research, chose some kits, and then take advice on which choices would be most suitable to your skills and personality.

Post here and the instructors will respond with sound advice and guidance.

Jack.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: sihinch on September 16, 2015, 12:35:12 PM
Building from a plan. No kit.

Small, 30" English Electric Lightning with a 3S pusher prop.

It's a Tony Nijhuis design from RCM&E
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on September 16, 2015, 12:38:33 PM
Wondering if I could sign up for @Frank v B's advanced master class!

Andy
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: sihinch on September 16, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
No Andy, you don't have the skills to build that!?
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: battlestu on September 16, 2015, 01:07:15 PM
have a few planes on my hit list but i still need to find the plans or kit

1. Do-335
2. Sea Dart
3. Hughes H-1
4. Something from BoB....from what i saw yesterday Hurricanes, Spitfires, and Bf-109 were well represented ;)

So if any one has a lead on any of these planes/kits feel free to shoot me a message...better yet reply to the post in case some else wants to build it as well.

Greg
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on September 16, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
Hey Greg... Are you going to build one during the class?  That would be cool...

Andy.  Make it electric RC and we're talkin'!
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: AndyC on September 16, 2015, 02:31:09 PM
First time attempt to build my own.  Any recommendations?

AndyC
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Wingnutz on September 16, 2015, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: battlestu on September 16, 2015, 01:07:15 PM
have a few planes on my hit list but i still need to find the plans or kit

1. Do-335
2. Sea Dart
3. Hughes H-1
4. Something from BoB....from what i saw yesterday Hurricanes, Spitfires, and Bf-109 were well represented ;)

So if any one has a lead on any of these planes/kits feel free to shoot me a message...better yet reply to the post in case some else wants to build it as well.

Greg


Wow Greg,
Your Sea Dart choice intrigues me! Complete with retractable water ski? Such a cool but I think challenging choice...Convair and the U.S. Navy couldn't make it work...hats off to you if you choose this one!
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Wingnutz on September 16, 2015, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: Andy Hoffer on September 16, 2015, 12:38:33 PM
Wondering if I could sign up for @Frank v B's advanced master class!

Andy
Andy,
Since you haven't been to many classes,...
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Frank v B on September 16, 2015, 09:56:18 PM
Greg,


Last winter the Beeton Club did a build class for their own design of a foam Sea Dart.  The photos looked cool.  I will try to get Rudie Nagelmakers to post a few photos (no comments Andy and Jack).  It was electric and would fly off water or grass.  I am sure it can be converted to balsa.


Frank
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Crazyflyer on September 16, 2015, 10:12:22 PM
Although I may not have the time to attend, Greg your suggestion of the Hughes H-1 is my favourite.



Quote from: battlestu on September 16, 2015, 01:07:15 PM
have a few planes on my hit list but i still need to find the plans or kit

1. Do-335
2. Sea Dart
3. Hughes H-1
4. Something from BoB....from what i saw yesterday Hurricanes, Spitfires, and Bf-109 were well represented ;)

So if any one has a lead on any of these planes/kits feel free to shoot me a message...better yet reply to the post in case some else wants to build it as well.

Greg
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: battlestu on September 16, 2015, 10:13:14 PM
thanks Frank!!


Hi Bill a retractable water ski would be cool but i don't think i have the skill to pull that off... but it does give me something to think about.


Hi Rob yep that is the plan. I was hoping to find a kit of one of those planes since I've never built from plans (ie cut my own ribs, spars, ect..) ... so far I've found a really big ARF Do-335 and i don't think i have the budget for that :)

Hi Stephan... the H-1 is a very cool looking plane ... there is something about it that makes we want to build one :)

I'll keep looking


Thanks
Greg
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Papa on September 16, 2015, 11:12:15 PM
AndyC, the objective this year is to teach researching your model so get on the net and find some kits or plans and when you see something you'd like post it and we will comment.


Jack.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: gordonbw on September 18, 2015, 12:46:14 PM
Two kits in the queue

1) Stevens Aero Groove 480 (straightforward laser cut build-in-your-lap kit, will tackle first)

http://www.stevensaero.com/StevensAero-G480-V2-Re-Groove-Electric-RC-Airplane-3D-Pattern-Parkflyer-SAK-G480V2.html

2) Flair Beaufighter (this will be a challenge; the kit requires a fair amount of bashing to update motors to brushless and add landing gear, maybe retractable).  I also plan to use a traditional tissue/dope finish.

http://www.flairmodels.co.uk/Aircraft/Military_Sport_Scale/Militaryframes.htm

Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: battlestu on September 18, 2015, 01:40:38 PM
very nice Gordon!!
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Wingnutz on September 19, 2015, 07:42:20 AM
Attached is the plan I found for a CL-215. It's a PDF file so I can take it to my local print shop and have them print it almost any size(probably not full size) but I like the size the original model was built...76" (1900mm?) WS
I'm considering a mostly foam model...hot wire cut wing cores sheeted with balsa and a depron fuse...probably some light ply on the bottom of the hull ahead of the step. I've used Econokote to cover depron and pink foam on several models so as long as I can find yellow, I should be set.
Any suggestions before I set out on yet another building adventure  ;D [size=78%]appreciated[/size]
The 215 is a favourite of mine for several reasons, including the fact that one of them almost gave me a free car wash as I was driving down a cottage road near North Bay!
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Frank v B on September 19, 2015, 07:59:21 PM
Andy,


Wait till you see my new race plane tomorrow.  I will bring it out just before the Nooner race.  It sounds and looks familiar.


re: Wondering if I could sign up for @Frank v B (http://temac.ca/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=1088)'s advanced master class!

Andy



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Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Andy Hoffer on September 20, 2015, 07:48:24 AM
Quote from: Frank v B on September 19, 2015, 07:59:21 PM
Andy,


Wait till you see my new race plane tomorrow.  I will bring it out just before the Nooner race.  It sounds and looks familiar.


re: Wondering if I could sign up for @Frank v B (http://temac.ca/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=1088)'s advanced master class!

Andy


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It is with huge regret that I have to allow you another torment-free race day (although my "new" reconstituted Nooner is ready to crash again!).  It's Cessna time (not quite as fast as a Nooner, but adequate) and I'm off to Oshawa and Peterborough.  Have a wonderful day surprising the skeptics.  Do send pictures of your new race plane!


Cheers!


Andy
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on September 20, 2015, 10:41:33 AM
Quote from: Wingnutz on September 19, 2015, 07:42:20 AM
Attached is the plan I found for a CL-215.


Hey Bill!  Those are the plans I used...ordered from RCM in the late 80's...


But I did modify the shape of the model as I went along and I seriously lightened their suggested structure, which I'm sure you will do too :-)


The areas I changed were the cockpit shape, the nacelles, and the fin/rudder and I believe they just call for a stab.  Still, without modifying it's shape it would still be a very nice, scale model


I didn't change the wing or hull design.  They are a little off as the wing has about 1" more cord than scale, and the V of the hull is shallower.  Both deviations from scale that make a better performing model, I believe.


Awesome choice!!!    ;D
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Michael on September 20, 2015, 01:11:58 PM
I haven't made any commitments to building anything, but I would also consider building a foam (Depron) waterbomber.


I scratch-built a 60" version several years ago, and at 26 ounces, it was an amazing flyer.



Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Wingnutz on September 21, 2015, 07:59:37 AM
Quote from: piker on September 20, 2015, 10:41:33 AM
Quote from: Wingnutz on September 19, 2015, 07:42:20 AM
Attached is the plan I found for a CL-215.


Hey Bill!  Those are the plans I used...ordered from RCM in the late 80's...


But I did modify the shape of the model as I went along and I seriously lightened their suggested structure, which I'm sure you will do too :-)


The areas I changed were the cockpit shape, the nacelles, and the fin/rudder and I believe they just call for a stab.  Still, without modifying it's shape it would still be a very nice, scale model


I didn't change the wing or hull design.  They are a little off as the wing has about 1" more cord than scale, and the V of the hull is shallower.  Both deviations from scale that make a better performing model, I believe.


Awesome choice!!!    ;D
Rob,
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Michael, I hope you build one too. With Rob's yours and mine working together, we'll be able to put out some serious forest fires!
Rob, I got the plans from a site called Aerofred.com...price was right!
As I plan the model in my head, I'm having difficulty figuring out the wing, if I hot wire cut foam cores. Any advice or thoughts appreciated.
1. One complete wing or three sections?
1a. If three sections, how do I secure the outer sections to the centre section for flying?
2. The plan calls for no wing diahedral, but I'm still not sure how to construct/embed/sink spars into a foam core wing that size. My initial thoughts are to epoxy plywood spars in slots cut in the foam cores as I can't figure out any way to accurately drill/bore holes for carbon or aluminum tubes in the foam cores. The core with spars glued in place would then be balsa sheeted and covered with Econokote.
3. The motor mount beams present another problem...two ply beams/ribs "egg -crated" with the main and drag spar?
Any advice appreciated and needed!


Q
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Michael on September 21, 2015, 03:31:08 PM
I'm thinking of scratch-building something like this, maybe 80" wingspan.



Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: bweaver on September 21, 2015, 05:00:18 PM
Michael,
Looks like an interesting civilian project.  Almost full size then eh?
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: BJROB on September 22, 2015, 06:48:02 AM
So a while back it was mentioned about building a DonMcGovern Navigator flying boat.  It is about a .10 size plane.
I'd like to build this one.... It looks so sweet.... ::)
but being a newbie here.... and I can't wait to get started... ;D
Does any one have plans???

Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Crazyflyer on September 22, 2015, 09:41:45 AM
Hi BJ, Great looking plane.
I found a PDF on: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1265873&page=9  on the second last post Jetco Navigator seaplane from Planeman. You can just click on the link and it will open the PDF that you can have printed.
The file is 1.5mb so too large for me to attach on this message board.

Quote from: BJROB on September 22, 2015, 06:48:02 AM
So a while back it was mentioned about building a DonMcGovern Navigator flying boat.  It is about a .10 size plane.
I'd like to build this one.... It looks so sweet.... ::)
but being a newbie here.... and I can't wait to get started... ;D
Does any one have plans???
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on September 22, 2015, 10:20:06 AM
Hey BJ,

If the download doesn't work for you, I have a set of the plans that I built my Navigator from several years ago.  The plans in the kit didn't offer the rib or all bulkhead shapes, but I recall that I traced my parts before building.

I was lucky to get a kit from a guy in California (via News Groups on the then fancy new Internet thing-a-ma-jig... 1995ish) who had bought it in the late '60's or early 70's.  I remained faithful to the kit and used all the wood except the crappy ply that was provided.  I built mine for electric power and flew it for many, many, flights over the years from 1996.  I still have it and have stripped the covering off for a refresh.  I hope to get to that recovering this winter... maybe  ;D

Bill,

I don't know what would be appropriate for a structural member in a foam wing that size without sheeting.  Thinking out loud I guess I would plan on a full depth I bean spar (spar caps and shear webs) with the center section boxed to accept a joiner.  That is how I built my CL-215 wing so it could be separated at the root.  I used to separate the wings for transport, then eventually just left them joined for transport after I built my first trailer.  When I recovered the plane recently I glued the wings together permanently.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on September 22, 2015, 10:35:50 AM
Hey Bill,

I just realized I didn't answer all of your questions.  Maybe we should get together and talk it over.  If you can wait for the first class, that would be best as others can participate and we can all learn together.  If you CAN'T wait... we are scheduled for a float fly at Frenchman's Bay this Saturday.  Maybe you can make it to that?  I'll post about the event today.

Michael!  Cool plane.  That's not the Heath Parasol, is it?  I'm REALLY liking the seaplane theme!  If you guys (everybody and anybody) are willing to make the trip to my new place, I'm willing to fly from the lake at any time  ;D
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Wingnutz on September 22, 2015, 08:49:53 PM
LMK when you wanna float fly at your new place...I'm there. Flew at Port Perry this morning with the SFF guys...the idea of flying out of your/my backyard is really attractive(sorry, all I have in the backyard so far is a pool but I'm working on the waterfront thing)
Will try to make the Saturday Float Fly...after the Jets Day Fun Fly...phew! Busy day! Questions can wait 'til first class...while the weather's this nice...FLY!
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Wingnutz on September 22, 2015, 11:20:30 PM
Quote from: BJROB on September 22, 2015, 06:48:02 AM
So a while back it was mentioned about building a DonMcGovern Navigator flying boat.  It is about a .10 size plane.
I'd like to build this one.... It looks so sweet.... ::)
but being a newbie here.... and I can't wait to get started... ;D
Does any one have plans???
BJ
LMK if this is what you want...or PM me your e-mail and I'll send you the link/plans.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on September 23, 2015, 10:42:09 AM
That looks like a good plan.  It shows the ribs and bulkhead (former?) sections as needed.

Hey!  Since we're talking about float flying... Here's a picture from my place this morning before I had one of the nicest flights I've ever enjoyed.  A great way to start the day before I head into the city for work.   ;D

Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Ashman001 on September 25, 2015, 03:16:43 PM
Hey guys,

Like BJ, this will be my first build.  Any suggestions on the below:

http://www.stevensaero.com/StevensAero-1923-DH.53-Humming-Bird-Indoor-Backyard-Scale.html

http://www.stevensaero.com/StevensAero-1931-Heath-LNB-4-Parasol-Micro-Kit.html

I think they are a good size for indoor domes....thoughts? 

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Ash
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: sihinch on September 25, 2015, 05:00:46 PM
Not for indoor, and not for a beginner, but this looks quite cool!


http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__81341__De_Havilland_DH82a_Tiger_Moth_Biplane_1400mm_Laser_Cut_Balsa_Kit.html



Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: fasteddie on September 26, 2015, 12:26:38 PM
For my first ever build since I was 10 years old I have finally decided.
This is going to be a challenge.
A Partenavia p 68 Scale
Wingspan 70 inches, about 70 ounces, wing area 720 square inches, tricyle undercarriage.
Twin engine
It was designed for brushed motors so I will need some adjustment.
I am assuming two brushless motors 1100kv around 14 amps each, and two 20 amp esc's.
Even If I can build this, I don't know if I can ever fly it.
Wish me luck
Ed
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Frank v B on September 27, 2015, 11:57:26 AM
FastEddie,


Could you publish the details of the kit so I can see how it is built and how much it weighs. 
I suspect those motors are marginal and with that KV rating the props may be too small.  Those motors put out 170 watts each for a total of 340 watts.  For good performance it means the plane's take-off weight must be less than 3 pounds.  If this plane were originally designed for brushed motors and Nicads, the conversion to brushless would save 14oz per motor/battery combination for a total of 28 oz.
If you have the kit, do not commit to the power combo yet.


Frank
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: fasteddie on September 27, 2015, 04:44:58 PM
Frank
Thanks for your response, it is exactly what I was hoping for since I have no experience to rely on.
It is not a kit. It is a set of plans and instructions. They are on order but not received.
I don't intend to order anything else until someone (you) gives me solid advice
The seller, Ivan Pettigrew gives is a total weight of weight of 77ounces including 9 Nicads . I think it also includes the motors but I am not sure  (I will ask him to clarify)
I had assumed a weight reduction of 20 ounces going to brushless so 28 would be even better.
Ivan recommended speed 400 or speed 450 type motors with speed 480 for sport aerobatics
I read that 90 watts per pound of total weight was recommended for slow scale models but I think you are telling me that is too little.
I want to avoid under powering and over powering but more is always better than less
I am attaching a document from Ivan
Thanks
Ed
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: fasteddie on September 27, 2015, 04:53:29 PM
Frank
The plans are coming to me on paper. I will scan to pdf and send to you
Ed
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Frank v B on September 27, 2015, 08:12:26 PM
Ed,


Let me know when you get the plans.  480 brushed sounds awfully tame for a 72" wingspan plane.  Remember the motto: "Always overpower an airplane because you can always throttle back.... if you have to".  Spare power is a great asset when things start to go wrong during a flight.


Do not despair. When building a kit or from plans, the power choice can wait a while until the fuse and wings are built.  Twin engine wings are usually built in their entirety and then the engine nacelles are slipped on.


Frank
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: gordonbw on September 27, 2015, 09:52:16 PM
480 brushed does seem marginal, but Ivan Pettigrew originally designed many of  his planes around these motors and, by reputation, they are great flyers. I have plans for Ivan's Twin Otter in my queue... Same size as the Partenavia and, yes, Speed 480 is the recommended power system.  Ivan's designs are stick built and very light for their size. That said, I completely agree with Frank that more power is better.  If and when I build the Twotter it will get low kv 35mm brushless motors.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Wingnutz on September 27, 2015, 10:10:26 PM
Quote from: fasteddie on September 26, 2015, 12:26:38 PM
For my first ever build since I was 10 years old I have finally decided.
This is going to be a challenge.
A Partenavia p 68 Scale
Wingspan 70 inches, about 70 ounces, wing area 720 square inches, tricyle undercarriage.
Twin engine
It was designed for brushed motors so I will need some adjustment.
I am assuming two brushless motors 1100kv around 14 amps each, and two 20 amp esc's.
Even If I can build this, I don't know if I can ever fly it.
Wish me luck
Ed
Pretty cool choice Eddie!
I googled it and the later versions are pretty nifty!
Stick with Frank's advice and you'll do fine! Have fun!
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: fasteddie on September 28, 2015, 09:40:49 AM
Thanks guys
I am looking forward to this
I totally get the point on power, especially if you may want to add FPV, lighting, etc in the future. There is no downside to a bigger motor and perhaps I should go to 25amp esc's.
Pleased about the vote of confidence In Ivan Pettigrew, in another year I may be interested in his Catalina
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on September 28, 2015, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: sihinch on September 25, 2015, 05:00:46 PM
Not for indoor, and not for a beginner, but this looks quite cool!


http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__81341__De_Havilland_DH82a_Tiger_Moth_Biplane_1400mm_Laser_Cut_Balsa_Kit.html

Hey Simon,

I'm curious about your reasoning for this response.  Both these planes look pretty easy to build and are gentle flying configurations (and cute as heck!).  I agree, they may be fast for indoor, but why do you say not for beginner?  Because of their size?

And you offer of an alternative... a detailed, scale biplane?  Was this a suggestion or just a "check out this cool kit"?

Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on September 28, 2015, 11:59:21 AM
Yes, Ivan's approach has always been to build VERY lightly and use modest power.  He started this back before brushless motors and Lipo's were common.  A little more power, now that we can get that even with less weight as well, just makes sense, but avoid over compensating otherwise a nice, scale flying model can turn into a pattern ship.  Yes, you can always throttle back, but not if you're trying to fly too much weight on a small wing area.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: wollins on September 28, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: fasteddie on September 28, 2015, 09:40:49 AM
Pleased about the vote of confidence In Ivan Pettigrew, in another year I may be interested in his Catalina

Hey Eddie, as someone who has had the latest experience with an Ivan design, I totally agree with what the others have posted about his planes.  Built to be EXTREMELY light and consequently they tend to be great flying planes.  My Solent is based on his "Short Solent 480" plans. You can see some of his "stick" construction style at http://temac.ca/smf/index.php/topic,4888.0.html starting at post 74. 

After that mine starts to deviate (a LOT!) from his plans I'm afraid. ;)  However to give you an example of how light he designs his planes to be ... that plane at the above link (Solent) if built exactly to his plans is designed to be LESS than NINE pounds!!!! (this for 100" wingspan plane!)

Mine on the other hand is currently weighing in at NINETEEN and a half pounds but I'm sure based on past experience it won't fly "heavy". I say this to reassure you that even if you go DOUBLE his proposed weight ... you should be fine.  Of course as Rob has rightly pointed out ... the lighter you can build it the better.

Colin 

P.S. My CL-415 (seen in the image under my name to the left) which even though is not an Ivan plan ... is also based on his design style of stick construction and is typically built to be less than FIVE pounds AUW. (at a span of 74 inches!) Mine came in at 8.75lbs and yet still flies "light".  ;)
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: adyg on September 29, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
Brian and I would like to try building one of these models:

T-Craft
http://www.greatplanes.com/reviews/gpma0155-rcr.html

RV-4
http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma0180.html

Super Decathlon 40
http://www.greatplanes.com/discontinued/gpma0185.html

They all seem to be made for gas engines but i hope they can be electrified. I am leaning towards the T-Craft or RV-4. Any recommendations?
Regards,

Adrian

Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Ashman001 on September 30, 2015, 02:07:38 PM
How about this one:

http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?products_id=591

According to the documentation this is:

Designed for the low experience pilot on up who wants a super easy flying scale plane. If you have not flown ailerons before, this plane could make a great aileron trainer for you. If
you have no tail dragger experience, this plane also makes a great first tail dragger.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: sihinch on September 30, 2015, 02:48:36 PM
That looks awesome, Ash!!!  Do it!

I've had kits from mountain models and they are top notch.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on September 30, 2015, 03:39:32 PM
Yes.  That looks like a good choice, Ash.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on September 30, 2015, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: adyg on September 29, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
Brian and I would like to try building one of these models:

T-Craft
http://www.greatplanes.com/reviews/gpma0155-rcr.html

RV-4
http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma0180.html

Super Decathlon 40
http://www.greatplanes.com/discontinued/gpma0185.html

They all seem to be made for gas engines but i hope they can be electrified. I am leaning towards the T-Craft or RV-4. Any recommendations?
Regards,

Adrian

I don't think anyone has responded to your question, Adrian...

All these kits would be very nice builds with the only real consideration being the RV-4 will be a bit harder to fly.  If you like the Taylorcraft, I think that would be a good choice, and the weight looks reasonable for a good performing model.  Converting to electric power is quite straight forward these day.  I think you should go ahead with this build. It'll be fun!
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: adyg on September 30, 2015, 05:37:54 PM
Quote from: piker on September 30, 2015, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: adyg on September 29, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
Brian and I would like to try building one of these models:

T-Craft
http://www.greatplanes.com/reviews/gpma0155-rcr.html

RV-4
http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma0180.html

Super Decathlon 40
http://www.greatplanes.com/discontinued/gpma0185.html

They all seem to be made for gas engines but i hope they can be electrified. I am leaning towards the T-Craft or RV-4. Any recommendations?
Regards,

Adrian

I don't think anyone has responded to your question, Adrian...

All these kits would be very nice builds with the only real consideration being the RV-4 will be a bit harder to fly.  If you like the Taylorcraft, I think that would be a good choice, and the weight looks reasonable for a good performing model.  Converting to electric power is quite straight forward these day.  I think you should go ahead with this build. It'll be fun!

Thanks for the feedback Robert. We'll go with the T-Craft then.

Adrian
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Gregor77 on October 01, 2015, 10:34:41 AM
I think an Anderson king fisher would be good.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on October 01, 2015, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: Gregor77 on October 01, 2015, 10:34:41 AM
I think an Anderson king fisher would be good.

Are you going to join us and build one?  That would be cool!
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Wingnutz on October 01, 2015, 08:24:04 PM
Simon, Rob...I'm impressed you are both providing feedback to this season's builders...well done!
Greg, I hope you do build a Kingfisher...maybe full size? It's pretty small. I think you could start building the components in Col Mustard's basement! (Just kidding)
As much as I 'd like to build a CL-215, sober reflection has convinced me I'd be better off completing one of the kits I already have...two of which are already started and...two of which are floatplanes.
Traplet Avro Anson...already started
Keith Sparks Macchi M5...already started
Jim Young Savoia Marchetti S-65...short kit not started
Each has its challenges as all three are multis...and yes Rob, the Italian aircraft are water planes!
I really dunno which one to build...they'd all be fun!
Any thoughts  on whch one might fit the course format best appreciated and since classes start pretty soon, wondering which class I should attend.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: sihinch on October 01, 2015, 08:57:46 PM
I'd love to see an Anson!
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: BJROB on October 02, 2015, 05:36:18 AM
Yah a Traplet Avro Anson
That would be cool.....
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on October 02, 2015, 10:24:59 AM
Hey Bill... you know my opinion...  ;D  (two outta three ain't bad)
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: fasteddie on October 05, 2015, 04:56:55 PM
Frank
I got the plans for the Partenavia.
This is way beyond my skills and I am parking it for now
I am now thinking of the Sig Seniorita kit (although it has no rudder perhaps it can be modified  http://www.sigplanes.com/SIG-Seniorita-Kit_p_57.html
Any thoughts
Ed
By the way I will be in Vermont on Wednesday 21 (if that is still the start date) I hope that wont be a problem
Ed
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: fasteddie on October 05, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
Frank

"although it has no rudder perhaps it can be modified"
Of course I meant ailerons
Ed
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on October 05, 2015, 05:22:06 PM
That's an awesome first build, Ed.  And of course it could be modified for ailerons.  In fact, that would be a good design exercise for the class.

Lots of beautiful stick construction there  ;D
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: BJROB on October 06, 2015, 08:13:27 AM
Hey ED
That looks like a good plane to start with....
And it has that awesome classic look.   
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: fasteddie on October 06, 2015, 10:21:45 AM
Thanks for the feedback
I think I will go for the Seniorita
As well as the mod for ailerons it will need a mod for electric
I am also considering taking out the dihedral and sheeting the wings (we have to have a challenge)
I will bring along the plans for the Partenavia for comments from the experts
Ed


Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Ashman001 on October 06, 2015, 01:35:59 PM
Hey guys, I was thinking about this and thought maybe I should plan for the future and build a plane for intermediate skill rather than another beginner plane, which I already have.  My thinking is building the below over the winter.  It's for novice builders but I'm sure the expert advise I will get at the builder classes will help over come my inexperience. 

http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?products_id=201

It might not be suitable for indoor flying but that's ok,...by summer next year I should be ready for the Mustang.  However the plane above is gas powered...I believe it can be fitted for electric...can someone confirm this for me? 

I tried to contact Mountain Models but still no reply.

Thanks,

Ash
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: sihinch on October 06, 2015, 01:42:26 PM
I have that kit too! Still waiting to be built.

Yes, it can be electric powered. There's a great thread on RCGroups on it.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: fasteddie on October 06, 2015, 07:19:44 PM
OK Last post on this topic(I hope)
At the risk of boring y'all I have reconsidered (again)
The Sig Kadet Mark II already has ailerons and less dihedral than the Seniorita so that is my final!! decision
I still want to sheet the wings and maybe make them flat
$Ed
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Wingnutz on October 11, 2015, 07:06:15 AM
Ed,
Consider your decision about changing the Kadet II wings carefully. SIG has been in the business of offering kits for a long time and are generally regarded as pretty solid in their offerings.
This model was designed for wet fuel motors which means it's already more rugged than it need be for electric.
I suspect that taking out the dihedral and sheeting the wings will have noticeable effects on the model's flight characteristics, none of which are likely to be positive...build for flight, not for crashing.
Whatever you do, have fun.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Ashman001 on October 13, 2015, 12:26:15 PM
Hey guys,

Seeing how this will be my first ever attempt to build a balsa wood kit, what tools do I need.  I found this on the web...should I follow this as my guide?

http://www.balsaworkbench.com/?page_id=180

Thanks,

Ash

Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: piker on October 13, 2015, 02:04:35 PM
Hey Ash.  I'm sure Frank will cover tool selection and other "getting started" tid-bits during the first class.

However, just looking at the pictures on your link... that looks right to me.  Glue, sanding block, cutting tools, pins, straight edge, and a flat building board (I cover mine with pink foam to accept pins... others use drywall or ceiling tiles, etc.).  Beyond that you can start to think about a Dremel and other simple power tools, but don't worry about that for your first build.  Oh, and you'll need a covering iron eventually.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Oscar on October 13, 2015, 04:03:43 PM
Hi Ash

Last year, I signed up my first ever balsa built class. I was like you, not knowing what tools to pick.  Jack spent the time summarzing on what tools we need in building the plane.  Below is the email that Jack sent to our last year class.

Note: I bought most of the stuff in pinnacle hobby and home depot.

I hope this help.

Oscar


Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:42:09 -0400
Subject: RedEagle Build Class, update.
From: [email protected]
To:

Since the meeting on Monday I realized that I might need more than a list of basic tools. So I did a list with images as, for some, the technical terms are new. These will come with time but in the meantime please read magazines and other sources to develop your vocabulary.


Richard posted some links to excellent articles that will help in this regard. please check the web site constantly as that is where we do most of our communicating.


At the next class bring the boards and tools and we will start building. You will need the plan and the parts for the fin, rudder and stabilizer. Make sure you have sanded the "nubs" off, at home, so we don't make a mess of the party room floor.


This list of tools is very basic but one principle applies. "Buy the best you can afford". If you do you will have these tools for the rest of your life. Check out "Princess Auto" for more unusual tools at cheaper prices.


Jack.
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: octagon on October 15, 2015, 05:27:51 PM
After much deliberation, and inspired by Rudy's presentation at the Pilot's meeting, I have settled on the Great Planes Taylorcraft 20 size as a winter build. Got the kit today. Now to clear the table and get to work. It is designed as a nitro or gas plane, but should be easy to convert. I find the most challenging thing about and electric conversion (all 2 of them I have done) is figuring out how to make the battery easy to access. I am looking forward to getting started.

http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma0155.html
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: sihinch on October 22, 2015, 08:05:33 PM
Ash, I think you were asking about the Laser Arts Mustang thread on RCGroups?  Here it is:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389833
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: sihinch on October 22, 2015, 08:28:23 PM
Some kits here:

http://www.mountainmodels.com/index.php?cPath=25
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Skyking on October 22, 2015, 09:35:26 PM
I want to build a sea dart.
Wheb do we start?
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Frank v B on October 22, 2015, 09:56:50 PM
SkyKen,

I have the patterns for Rudie's Sea Dart that he presented at the meeting.

Frank
Title: Re: Pick your kit to build this winter!
Post by: Ashman001 on October 23, 2015, 03:06:11 PM
Thanks Simon,

See you guys at the field tomorrow...is that rain or shine?