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Title: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on April 27, 2024, 02:38:00 PM
Just started construction of a Trainer 40.
Downloaded the instruction manual from OuterZone : https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=12744
This should be a fun and quick build.  ;D
There is no electric conversion instructions, so I will just wing-it. 
The plans include a top hatch already and a fuel tank bottom that will serve as the battery floor.
As for power, I was thinking a Eflite 25, but that may be a bit marginal, so probably will go for a 45.
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: Michael on April 27, 2024, 05:10:42 PM
I think a 25 or a 32 on 4S would be more than adequate.
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on April 28, 2024, 10:10:27 AM
Section A, steps 1 through 9 completed, the tail section is ready for covering.
The wing construction starts soon, but first I need to enlarge the holes in the ribs to fit servo leads and extensions.
@Michael I agree that a 25 or 30 size motor might be adequate on 3 cells.
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on April 28, 2024, 06:36:20 PM
Dry fitting the ribs.
The quality of this kit is impressive.
The spars and leading and the trailing edges are notched for a tight fit.
Only complaint so far is the inconsistent balsa density ranging from ultra light and flimsy (the trailing edge spar) to super hard and heavy (one sire of the elevator).
Enjoying the build process.
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on April 30, 2024, 11:34:52 AM
Wings well underway; however, they will be completed end of May.
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on May 01, 2024, 11:32:57 AM
I am impressed with the labelling of this Great Plane kit.
So easy to identify the parts.
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on May 28, 2024, 12:51:08 PM
Back from my European Vacation and jet lagged.
I decided to tackle the firewall and engine mount today.
Spent 2.5 hours looking for screws and drilling-out the retaining T-Nuts.
Happy with the results, need epoxy to dry before gluing to the fuselage side(s).
When the motor will be available, I will drill the engine mount accordingly.
 

 
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on June 08, 2024, 10:06:58 PM
Starting to look like an airplane.
I am still not happy about the wing centre section. 
I feel it needs a spar joiner, not only having both halves butt glued.
 
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: Frank v B on June 09, 2024, 10:36:47 AM
Guy,

The butt glued wing is a feature of that vintage Great Planes Models kits.  The Kaos 40 pattern plane and the SuperSportster 40 had the same wing joints. 

When I built the SuperSportster 40 (low wing tail dragger) I did not like it either, cut a hole through the bottom of the wing and spliced in a piece of shaped 1x2 pine to catch wing ribs between the landing gear placements.  It became the landing gear mount as well. The buzz at the time was that the landing gear ripped out on a tough landing (my standard landing ;D).

See post 14 on the Polestar wing build thread when I added the 1x2 to the center section. https://temac.ca/smf/index.php?topic=8918.0

The fibreglass they use in the kit is significant weight and covers the entire center section.

If I were you, I would cut a slot behind or ahead of the main spar and slip in a piece of 1/8"(or thicker) plywood to span at least 2 ribs on each side of the center rib, glue it to the top and bottom spar and fibreglass it per plan. 

Great Planes kits were the best (flying and strength) in the late '80's and worked well as built per plan. The Sig kits were lighter (better balsa) but were more "builder's kits".

Belt and suspenders.
The choice is yours.

Frank

Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on June 09, 2024, 10:26:29 PM
First spar reinforcement epoxied in place.
Should be dry in a day or two.
 
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on June 16, 2024, 10:37:29 PM
The supplied ailerons are 26" X 1" X 1/4".
These are not tapered, not anything like aileron stock; nor do I have the patience to shape these.
The plan is to replace the supplied sticks with 2" aileron stock.
Larger ailerons should provide added roll control authority.
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on June 23, 2024, 10:40:47 PM
Well, the ailerons are now 2 inches wide, this is much better IMHO.  ;)
Now should these be tapered or left square?!?
Pros and Cons:

Any expert opinion on the matter before I decide?   :-\

PS: the aileron tips will be rounded to match the contour of the wingtip.
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on July 11, 2024, 06:30:57 PM
Covering finished.
US markings are unusual for me, but I had these on hand.
Next on the agenda:
 - Servo mounting and adjustments
 - Motor installation (on order)
 - ESC installation (to be purchased when motor arrives)
 - Wheels - to be attached.
 - Control horns to be screwed-in.
 - Maiden Flight!
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on July 28, 2024, 06:13:45 PM
Ready to install the motor.
However, it needs to sit 1.25 inches away from the firewall.
Short of adding a piece of wood, any suggestions about the installation?
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: Andy Hoffer on July 28, 2024, 09:25:18 PM
Bonjour @GuyOReilly


Wood is nice.  See photo of motor mount I made for my Pitts Special out of 1/8" birch aircraft plywood, reinforced with 1/4"x1/4" triangle stock balsa.

Another option would be brass tube standoffs accompanied by very long mounting bolts.  You might want to add washers soldered to each end of the standoffs for support and stability.

Hope this helps.

Andy
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on July 30, 2024, 04:10:35 PM
Motor mount installation problem solved.
Added 1/2 inch dowels, drilled in the centre with drill press to fit the long screws.
Happy with the results.

Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: Andy Hoffer on July 31, 2024, 12:21:50 AM
Very nicely done Guy! 

Andy
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: GuyOReilly on August 03, 2024, 05:50:28 PM
Well, the Maiden Flight did not go as planned.
After a very smooth takeoff and left hand turn, a bit of up elevator trim, left turn toward to runway and then total loss of control.
The plans went nose first down in the field 50-75 feet north from the runway threshold.
The most probable cause was a short in the ESC, see the pictures.
The receiver was broken during the crash.

Image #31 you can see the burnt hole.
Image 32 shows that it was a 60 amps ESC; the moter did not draw more than 40 with a 12X5 prop as per manufacturer instructions.
Images 33 and 34 the remains,

A funeral will be held next week.
Title: Re: Trainer 40
Post by: Frank v B on August 03, 2024, 06:06:50 PM
Ouch!


Frank